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Old Mon May 03, 2010, 08:36pm
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Based on what?
That is until I read differently, I'm just thinking common sense about when the clock should start after a time-out.
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Old Mon May 03, 2010, 08:39pm
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Enjoy it!

I firmly believe in this rule change and it will not require additional training for clock operators-It needs to be adopted nationwide.
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Old Mon May 03, 2010, 08:48pm
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I firmly believe in this rule change and it will not require additional training for clock operators-It needs to be adopted nationwide.
Unfortunately, you haven't seen some of the scoreboard operators/timers we have up here. Some are still thinking of rules/regulations from 5-10 years ago & using those.

I do everything I can to keep myself up to date on the new rules/regulations.
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 07:39am
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That is until I read differently, I'm just thinking common sense about when the clock should start after a time-out.
Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.

To me, common sense would say to start the clock as soon as the ball becomes live following the events for which the clock stops. Basically, when the official starts his/her 5 second count for the throwin.

Others would say to start the clock as soon as the time out or free throw is over. Without official guidance, you'll get differing applications everywhere.

Note: this isn't a big deal either way, as you're only talking about, at most, a total of 10-20 seconds in a blowout game.
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 08:15am
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Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.

To me, common sense would say to start the clock as soon as the ball becomes live following the events for which the clock stops. Basically, when the official starts his/her 5 second count for the throwin.

Others would say to start the clock as soon as the time out or free throw is over. Without official guidance, you'll get differing applications everywhere.

Note: this isn't a big deal either way, as you're only talking about, at most, a total of 10-20 seconds in a blowout game.
I would say that unless stated otherwise the clock would start when it normally starts. The rule CHSEAGLE posted says when the clock is to stop. The rule did not state anything has changed as to when the clock is restarted.
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 08:48am
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With a 40+ point differential, is anybody going to really be splitting hairs on when the clock starts after a timeout? Must be the offseason...
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 10:49am
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Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.
How true. When some cry for "common sense," what they're really asking is, "How come everyone else doesn't think like I do?"

Having said that, I'm with CHS. Since the clock is always stopped on free throws anyway, why change chopping time in to something else we'd all have to memorize, including the table, coaches, etc.? I see simplicity in keeping things as is, unless we're told otherwise.
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 11:43am
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Your common sense could easily be nonsense to someone else.
To me, it falls to the rules we already have that specify when the clock starts after a timeout unless they've provided new rules about when to start the clock.
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To me, it falls to the rules we already have that specify when the clock starts after a timeout unless they've provided new rules about when to start the clock.
This makes sense, too.

To me, the running clock rule changes things. The clock is to run except for the exceptions (timeouts and free throws). When the exceptions are over, the clock should run again.

Again, it's not worth any heart ache since the number of seconds at stake is so small.
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This makes sense, too.

To me, the running clock rule changes things. The clock is to run except for the exceptions (timeouts and free throws). When the exceptions are over, the clock should run again.

Again, it's not worth any heart ache since the number of seconds at stake is so small.
My question would be: When does the clock STOP? Clock will not stop on the whistle for a foul, but will be stopped during free throws. Soooo...I blow whistle for foul, give preliminary signals, run to reporting area, report foul and say "2 shots." Clock stops then? Clock stops when we administer the ball to shooter? Clock stops when preliminary is given at the spot? When exactly will the clock operator STOP the running clock?
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 12:14pm
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I guess I never understood the need for a mercy rule in a game with a clock.

But thank goodness we have one in baseball.
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 12:25pm
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Here is our rule in California

Once margin reaches 40 or more points in the 4'th quarter game clock will run only stopping for timeouts!
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 12:33pm
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Here is our rule in California

Once margin reaches 40 or more points in the 4'th quarter game clock will run only stopping for timeouts!
I would assume it would also stop for an injury or blood on the court. I really don't get why WA had to add the free throw part of it...they only have 10 seconds to stand there anyway.
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 02:24pm
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Yeah-I thought that went without saying but it does stop on any official's whistle for injury or blood on the floor.
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Old Tue May 04, 2010, 02:44pm
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Here is our rule in California

Once margin reaches 40 or more points in the 4'th quarter game clock will run only stopping for timeouts!
Here in the land of little oxygen, our metro league voted to adopt the mercy rule at the JV level only.
30 points or more in the 2nd half.
It does not stop for free throws.
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