jump stop...travelling call???

[ABC Coach]

Here's another rules question that I could use some clarification on. If a player makes a jump stop and then takes two steps followed by a shot, is that a travel? It always looks like one to me and I've seen some refs blow the whistle on it. However, I've seen plenty of refs just let it slide. So what's the rule surrounding the jump stop followed by two steps and shot?

Thanks for any advice.

[grunewar]

A good question Coach and one that some officials, including myself, struggle with and try to improve upon.

From this year's POE's from the federation:

1. TRAVELING. The traveling rule has not changed; however, the committee is still concerned that the rule is not being properly enforced. Consequently, offensive players are gaining a tremendous advantage. Areas of specific concern are: the spin move, the step-through move, the jump stop, perimeter shooters taking an extra “hop” prior to releasing the try and ball handlers lifting the pivot foot prior to releasing the ball on the dribble. The key to determining the legality of those moves is to first find the pivot foot. Then, if the player moves a foot or the feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits, a traveling violation has occurred. Officials must know the rule, find the pivot foot and improve call accuracy; coaches must demand that players execute this skill properly, especially in practice; players must continue to develop this basic skill and practice performing legal moves.

Guidelines for Teaching and Officiating
A. Determine the pivot foot immediately.
B. At the start of the dribble, the ball must be released before the pivot foot is lifted.
C. After the dribble has ended, the player may lift pivot foot, but must release the ball on a pass or shot before the pivot foot returns to floor.
D. A player may never take two steps while in possession of the ball.

We have discussed this quite extensively here as we all try to improve.....

Hope this helps.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ABC Coach

Here's another rules question that I could use some clarification on. If a player makes a jump stop and then takes two steps followed by a shot, is that a travel? It always looks like one to me and I've seen some refs blow the whistle on it. However, I've seen plenty of refs just let it slide. So what's the rule surrounding the jump stop followed by two steps and shot?

Thanks for any advice.

The issue is specifically addressed in the traveling rule (4-44).

[BillyMac]

There are a lot of different types of "jump stops", so it's difficult to generalize regarding the situation as described without further information, but once the pivot foot has been established, on shot (or a pass), the pivot foot may be lifted, but may not return to the floor before the ball is released. You're never going to get two steps after establishing a pivot foot in NFHS, and maybe NCAA. The NBA? Well, I'll leave that up to some of our NBA expert Forum members.

[Gargil]

After a jump stop there are no steps or pivot allowed.

[wanja]

Originally Posted by Gargil

After a jump stop there are no steps or pivot allowed.

True for NFHS, NCAA, NBA and FIBA. Not true for WNBA. For a video example see jump stop and step. By the way, the NBA ref missed the call in this case as noted in the NBA video rulebook.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

There are a lot of different types of "jump stops"

I've always defined a jump stop as jumping off one foot and simultaneously landing on two. What are other examples?

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I've always defined a jump stop as jumping off one foot and simultaneously landing on two. What are other examples?

It's jumping off "pivot" foot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I've always defined a jump stop as jumping off one foot and simultaneously landing on two. What are other examples?

Catching the ball in the air and landing on both feet simultaneously. Either foot can be the pivot in this case.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by ABC Coach

If a player ... takes two steps ..., is that a travel? .

By dictionary definition of a step, lift one foot, move in any direction, return it to the floor, a player holding the ball may never take two steps.
Tell everybody you know.

[wanja]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I've always defined a jump stop as jumping off one foot and simultaneously landing on two. What are other examples?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Catching the ball in the air and landing on both feet simultaneously. Either foot can be the pivot in this case.

Yes, but that is not a jump stop.

[wanja]

Originally Posted by ABC Coach

If a player makes a jump stop and then takes two steps followed by a shot, is that a travel?

Originally Posted by just another ref

By dictionary definition of a step, lift one foot, move in any direction, return it to the floor, a player holding the ball may never take two steps.
Tell everybody you know.

Except in the NBA which prior to the 2009/10 season modified the travel rule to include a player "may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball" in accordance with established practice.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by wanja

Except in the NBA which prior to the 2009/10 season modified the travel rule to include a player "may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball" in accordance with established practice.

Is that the "crab" jump stop?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by wanja

Yes, but that is not a jump stop.

IIRC, "jump stop" is not defined in FED rules.

NCAA defines it with both meanings.

Coaches do use it with that meaning.

So, it might not be a "jump stop" to you, but it is to others.

[doubleringer]

Personally, instead of thinking of steps, I think in terms of the pivot foot. For me, that helped clarify when I should call the violation and when we have a legal move. The difficult part of the jump stop and travelling in general is deciding when the pivot is established. For those that watched the NCAA women's pre-season videos, when the ball is gathered is sometimes tough to decide.
As far as the NBA, I believe the rule states that any move that will end up on Sportscenter, sell a jersey to a kid, end in a dunk, sell a seat to a fan, or pad the stats of a "star" player is legal.