How's this for a pre-game meeting?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

One girl even had pink drawers on under her uniform.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And You Know This, How ???

grunewar: Hey? You never answered my question. Are you on some kind of list? Parents with inquiring minds want to know. Also, if you're working a game, and Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC walks out of the locker room with a camera crew, don't leave the gym, for any reason. The cops are always waiting outside. Always. Every single time. And why do they wait for you to leave? Is there some kind of medieval sanctuary law at work here. Is Quasimodo the legal adviser to the show?

[Mark Padgett]

One question I forgot to ask yesterday has to do with timeouts. As I stated in the OP, each team gets two 30s per half and they don't carry over. We all know that if a team is out of timeouts and then requests one during a time in which it may be granted, it's a technical. What if they've used their two in the first half and then request one still in the first half? Should we call a technical?

I know it's kind of a petty question, but what do you guys think? I'll get a definitive answer from the program later today when I go to my games.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What if they've used their two in the first half and then request one still in the first half? Should we call a technical?

NFHS 10-1-7: Team Technical: A team shall not: Request an excess time-out. PENALTY: Penalized when discovered. Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in.

It sounds like the league directors changed NFHS 5-12-1 (timeouts), not the rule on technical foul penalties. Just my opinion.

[Mark Padgett]

Here's another one I should ask on pretty much the same subject. Is a technical for requesting an excessive timeout considered an administrative or an unsportsmanlike technical? It matters in this league because there's an "extra" penalty if it's unsportsmanlike - the other team gets two shots, possession and two points.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's another one I should ask on pretty much the same subject. Is a technical for requesting an excessive timeout considered an administrative or an unsportsmanlike technical? It matters in this league because there's an "extra" penalty if it's unsportsmanlike - the other team gets two shots, possession and two points.

NFHS 10-1-8: Team Technicals: A team shall not: Commit an unsporting foul.

Could that mean that all the other articles under 10-1 (Team Technicals) are not unsporting acts, but are something else, like administrative infractions?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's another one I should ask on pretty much the same subject. Is a technical for requesting an excessive timeout considered an administrative or an unsportsmanlike technical? It matters in this league because there's an "extra" penalty if it's unsportsmanlike - the other team gets two shots, possession and two points.

The chart on page 71 of the NFHS rules book lists "excess time-out" in the "Administrative" box.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The chart on page 71 of the NFHS rules book lists "excess time-out" in the "Administrative" box.

Good eye, Nevada. Does this mean that you can't T-up a team for an excessive time out if they've already received one for a book violation? That doesn't add up.

As for "fashion police" thing, the toughest thing is getting everyone on the same page in how to enforce these rules. The league coordinator in Mark's case made an effort to do so; we have a hard enough time doing this in regular season, especially in middle school.

When it's a travel league or scrimmage or off-season game, I can take or leave "properly and legally equipped." If the board expects you to follow a rule, however, then I play by the book.

My board made it clear to me that middle schools are expected to play by the same uniform rules (except that the home team must wear white -- that's varsity only) as the high schools. I wonder if they made it clear to everyone else, because I ran into a series of uniform issues this year. I don't mind enforcing these rules, but they become a hardship when others aren't doing their jobs.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

No, it's just a team technical foul. The team still gets the time-out, but they have to pay the price of the T.

Perhaps you are unaware that a team can be charged with a technical foul for either an administrative infraction or an unsporting act. One doesn't know the reason just because a team technical foul is charged. It could even be for delay of game.
Your response didn't answer Mark's question. Mine did.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps you are unaware that a team can be charged with a technical foul for either an administrative infraction or an unsporting act....Somewhere along the way someone misinformed you.

Maybe, maybe not. It could just be me. The crux of this was my understanding of "administrative," which I considered only to be book-related.

That's what threw me off about Mark's question. How could calling an excessive time-out be book-related? I thought. The definition goes well beyond that, I see. Thanks for the heads up.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Good eye, Nevada. Does this mean that you can't T-up a team for an excessive time out if they've already received one for a book violation? That doesn't add up.

Doesn't mean that at all. The rule is not that a team can only receive one administrative technical foul following the 10-minute mark prior to the game. The rule is that a team shall only receive one technical foul no matter how many violations of the five specific administrative items listed in 10-1-2 it commits. This is not all-inclusive. Somewhere along the way someone misinformed you.

You are kind of new here. Stick around and your understanding of the rules will greatly improve. There are a lot of really sharp people on this forum.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There are a lot of really sharp people on this forum.

Are you talking about head shapes?

Two things stood out in today's three MS games. In the first, my partner teed up a coach. At the next break, I asked him what happened. He said the guy complained about the lack of a three second call. My partner gave him the stop sign and he still said something. According to my partner, the guy wasn't really bad and never raised his voice but just wouldn't stop talking.

The other thing was somewhat of a pleasant surprise for me. There is a guy I know who holds camps for MS kids at this venue and he has a bunch of teams playing in this spring league. He coaches a few of them himself. He is David Lucas, younger son of "The Enforcer" Maurice Lucas. I've known David since he was in third grade and played in our local kids rec league. His older brother Maurice Jr. (called "Reece") was in the same grade as my son and they went through HS together. Reece also played in our rec league for quite a few years (and yes, Maurice Sr. would come to some of both boys games). I had David coaching a 7th grade team in my second game today. We said hi to each other before the game. He did a great job and his team won by almost 40. He's a terrific young man and I wish him well.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

grunewar: Hey? You never answered my question. Are you on some kind of list? Parents with inquiring minds want to know. A

Will send you a PM.