NCAA Rules that NFHS or State Associations should try out?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Aren't Pro & College Table Crews also trained officials as well?

Not necessarily. I know some people that have been at the table in certain situations are officials at lower levels, but that does not mean that is the case in all situations or a mandate.

Originally Posted by chseagle

Majority of the HS Table Crews either have a love of the game & the team & work the table as a show of support or to them it's an extra paycheck.

However not every HS Table Crew even tries to have an understanding of the rules except for the bare minimum they need to know.

With the continual addition of new rules or changes of those rules, it can be hard for a person to know about those changes unless they, themselves, take the initiative to learn.

And this is why the rules are the way they are. People that run the table would be a problem if they are not trained or paying attention. Not so say that the rules will never change, but a lot of new rules table people are often unaware.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not necessarily. I know some people that have been at the table in certain situations are officials at lower levels, but that does not mean that is the case in all situations or a mandate.

And this is why the rules are the way they are. People that run the table would be a problem if they are not trained or paying attention. Not so say that the rules will never change, but a lot of new rules table people are often unaware.

Peace

Actually during the championship games for WIAA instant replay can be used for clock reset.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What he said...without the smiley!

The colleges and pros have trained, mature table crews. They also have instant replay available at the D1 and pro levels to get the clock right. In high school you never know what or who you're going to get as a timer. It would be freaking pandemonium in some high school games.

It's for reasons like this I was thinking of a similar program for Table Crew as for the floor officials. This way everyone is on equal footing when it comes to rules/regulations.

[BktBallRef]

Clueless.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Actually during the championship games for WIAA instant replay can be used for clock reset.

This a NF rule that allows states to use instant replay if they like. Many states have not gone that route with instant replay. I am also not talking about what goes on in a rare case. The vast majority of games are run in local high schools with volunteers or people who support the local school or team. These are not highly paid, highly accountable positions. At least that is not the case when many lower level games in my area are run by players on the varsity team that are required or paid to work a freshman game for a couple of hours, but is paying more attention to their cell phone than the game. I am sure the State Finals in your area has adults and possibly people who run the clock for the venue or has a more extensive background at the college or pro level.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This a NF rule that allows states to use instant replay if they like. Many states have not gone that route with instant replay. I am also not talking about what goes on in a rare case. The vast majority of games are run in local high schools with volunteers or people who support the local school or team. These are not highly paid, highly accountable positions. At least that is not the case when many lower level games in my area are run by players on the varsity team that are required or paid to work a freshman game for a couple of hours, but is paying more attention to their cell phone than the game. I am sure the State Finals in your area has adults and possibly people who run the clock for the venue or has a more extensive background at the college or pro level.

Peace

Actually for the state tournament, it's a pool of people that ask to work the games that are table crew. If I hadn't of messed my leg up last year I would of been working the 1A State Tournament. For the 4A Regional Tournament I've done the past couple of years, the table personnel have been from the local high schools that asked if they could work the tournament. Same can be said for the state tournaments.

That's very true concerning during the season about table crews. The person that is timer/scoreboard for Varsity is being paid $35 a night (for 2 games). Whereas I'm volunteer (3 games a night). The difference is however I am continually learning & adapting to the new rules/regulations, whereas the person doing Varsity is still in the habit of using rules/regulations from 5-10 years ago.

The person that does the Varsity Games has been doing it since before I was in High School & before. However, from life experiences, not always are those that have been in the position the longest always the best for the job. Knowledge & the ability to learn should outrank experience. Just because a person plays the game (Varsity players doing Sub-Varsity table), is not always an advantage.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The difference is however I am continually learning & adapting to the new rules/regulations, whereas the person doing Varsity is still in the habit of using rules/regulations from 5-10 years ago.

We pre-game the proper timing procedures with the table. Whether they follow what we pre-game with them is a whole 'nother matter. If they don't, we correct them.....or replace them. I find it very hard to believe that you have a varsity timer that is constantly screwing-up and nothing is done about it.

Starting and stopping the clock when an official blows their whistle or gives a visual signal isn't freaking rocket science, no matter what slant you try to put on it. It's a matter of paying attention. We've got 14-year old kids working the clock locally that do a great job and we also have some adults that constantly screw up.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Litotes, IMHO.

Had to look that one up. Thank you for increasing my vocabulary. Is there an mbyron "Word of the Day" mailing list I can sign up for?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Had to look that one up. Thank you for increasing my vocabulary. Is there an mbyron "Word of the Day" mailing list I can sign up for?

Sure. Send me your ATM number and PIN &c.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The person that does the Varsity Games has been doing it since before I was in High School & before. However, from life experiences, not always are those that have been in the position the longest always the best for the job.

Sounds like you are doing a good job lobbying for the position. Why don't you post the contact info for your AD so we can give you a resounding endorsement?


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