School alleges discrimination by Philly refs

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Do you ref?

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I was thinking of the Dirk ejection and mixed up Crawford with Bill Kennedy, easy mistake. Different story but just saw this.
NBA Referee Bill Kennedy Fined for His Antics, Union Cries Foul | Bleacher Report

Yeah tech are a separate issue. I think many refs will call a foul that favors a player or team that had been given a T but I will say that if a team before is showing that they are undisciplined, constantly arguing calls, then it MIGHT lead to refs calling more fouls against them or not calling fouls when they could go either way.

So your answer is "no," then?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Refs should try to be neutral but at any level bad mouthing them and not playing the game right will result in more calls going against the team.

Does that include other officials bad-mouthing them from the stands?

so much fun...and nightmare

Just wondering.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does that include other officials bad-mouthing them from the stands?

so much fun...and nightmare

Just wondering.....

Wow. And he still doesn't get it. Explains a lot of his posts on the tourney as well.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jdmara

So you're saying this article is suppose to bring out the fact that not only are the official's racist but they are unfairly being discriminatory to just one school's black population but not the other? Come on, we both know what's going on here

-Josh

The article made no mention of the actual racial make-up of RCC. It can be intelligently inferred that RCC is predominantly White, but to assume the team is 100% White could be an example you playing the "race card". If you go to the RCC website, the first picture you see is of an African-American student who will be representing the school at the Grand National Forensics/Speech tournament in Omaha. Maybe you can drive up there and ask him about the racial makeup of the basketball team.

I don't believe MC&S's assertion about discrimination. But why do people who use the phrase "race card" always assume a situation is made up of 100% of one group on one side and 100% of another group on the other?

Claims of discrimination (even unfounded ones) are not always purely black & white. (pun intended)

[Mark Padgett]

Eventually, we will all get our heads screwed on straight and realize that thanks to the recent genome project and other scientific studies, there is no scientific support for what we now call "race" - only commonality of genetic tagging. It's a scientific fact that a white male has more in common genetically with a black male than he does with a white woman. If that's the case - and it is - how can their be a white "race" or a black "race"? The entire concept that people have inherited behavioral traits based on their skin color is hogwash.

People are just people. I look at people as individuals and I assume they are all good people until they prove me wrong. Period.

OK - I'll get down off my soapbox now. BTW - my best man at my wedding 31 years ago was a black male and we're still good friends. Also BTW - I know it's not politically correct (and I'm certainly not) but I don't hyphenate the word "American". Every citizen of this country is an American - end of story.

OK - I'll really get down off my soapbox now.

[mutantducky]

no, and don't assume that. I've heard it though in other sports including very loudly at at college football games.

[jbduke]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Eventually, we will all get our heads screwed on straight and realize that thanks to the recent genome project and other scientific studies, there is no scientific support for what we now call "race" - only commonality of genetic tagging. It's a scientific fact that a white male has more in common genetically with a black male than he does with a white woman. If that's the case - and it is - how can their be a white "race" or a black "race"? The entire concept that people have inherited behavioral traits based on their skin color is hogwash.

People are just people. I look at people as individuals and I assume they are all good people until they prove me wrong. Period.

OK - I'll get down off my soapbox now. BTW - my best man at my wedding 31 years ago was a black male and we're still good friends. Also BTW - I know it's not politically correct (and I'm certainly not) but I don't hyphenate the word "American". Every citizen of this country is an American - end of story.

OK - I'll really get down off my soapbox now.

Your recitation of the science (or lack thereof) underlying race is undeniably true, but also completely unhelpful. That there may be scant biological difference between two people of different "races" does nothing to change the perceptions based on that difference.

As long as perceptions hinge even a little bit on differences we can see (and make no mistake, they do), "race" is going to be an important and meaningful category. That it is a cultural rather than biological category doesn't change that.

Racists aren't racists because they think the differences they perceive are biological. Racists are racists because they perceive meaning in physical differences in the first place. "Biology-based" racism was and is simply an ad-hoc justification for prejudices already firmly held. You may be able to dispose of that justification, but that will only be followed by a new one. Honestly, do you think you're going to convince a bigot of the error of his ways by giving him a genetics lesson?

(And writing "end of story" at the end of a post is bullying behavior. Period )

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by jbduke

Honestly, do you think you're going to convince a bigot of the error of his ways by giving him a genetics lesson?

Of course not. That would be impossible because if he's truly a bigot, he's too stupid to read, let alone understand something like science.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

OK - I'll get down off my soapbox now. BTW - my best man at my wedding 31 years ago was a black male and we're still good friends. Also BTW - I know it's not politically correct (and I'm certainly not) but I don't hyphenate the word "American". Every citizen of this country is an American - end of story.

OK - I'll really get down off my soapbox now.

There is a difference between race and ethnicity. Being Black is my race. Being African-American is my ethnicity. And since many in this country call themselves Italian, French, Irish, Russian and Mexican, I think it is only right and makes since to label myself what I know I am. I am a decedent of African, not a descendant of America. There were only one group of people that were genetically from this country and it was not people that look like me or you. But the one thing I cannot do like many of those who are not Black (and there are many Blacks that can go back to other countries BTW), I cannot trace my heritage directly to a "tribe" or Klan (which they are really called BTW) like you and many others could. So to keep a since of my heritage and culture, I choose to call myself African-American. If I could I would consider myself Nigerian-American or South African-American like a famous actress can. And when I go to the World Cup I could cheer for my home country if they were participating (I know a joke is coming), but I cannot do that. And it matters to me that the people that I come from were not allowed to hold citizenship and were slaves. So no, I will never just be American. I cannot trace my background like a fellow official friend of mine who knows how is name was changed to reflect coming to America, rather than hold on to the language his Grandfather spoke. And all of that is important when it is obvious that a lot of my values did not come directly and only from this country.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is a difference between race and ethnicity. Being Black is my race. Being African-American is my ethnicity. And since many in this country call themselves Italian, French, Irish, Russian and Mexican, I think it is only right and makes since to label myself what I know I am. I am a decedent of African, not a descendant of America.

I was born in the United States of America, as was my father, and my grandfather. On that level I consider myself to be an American. My great grandfather, and great great grandfather, were born in Ireland, so on that level I consider myself to be Irish American. Homo sapiens arose in Africa and migrated out of the continent around 50-100,000 years ago, so if you go back far enough in my family tree, I can be considered to be African American. In fact, JRutledge and I have a common ancestor, Mitochondrial Eve, the most recent common matrilineal ancestor from whom all living humans are descended. She is generally estimated to have lived around 200,000 years ago, most likely in East Africa.

So JRutledge? Since we're related, can I borrow twenty bucks?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So JRutledge? Since we're related, can I borrow twenty bucks?

If you give me $1000, then we are cool.

Peace

[mutantducky]

where's Antoine Walker when you need him?

[Welpe]

Jeff, thanks for that explanation. That makes a lot of sense to me and I can respect that.

I call myself American because it'd take up a line and a half to accurately describe my lineage. Answering questions 8 and 9 on the Census this year was rather interesting.

Also, $1000 in exchange for $20? Maybe you're of Nigerian Royalty. How's the e-mail business going?

[mutantducky]

off topic
a bit too detailed at times but a book called Arc of Justice is quite good about race in America. So is Contempt of Court
Amazon.com: Contempt of Court: The Turn-of-the-Century Lynching That Launched a Hundred Years of Federalism (9780385720823): Mark Curriden, Leroy Phillips: Books

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is a difference between race and ethnicity. Being Black is my race. Being African-American is my ethnicity. And since many in this country call themselves Italian, French, Irish, Russian and Mexican, I think it is only right and makes since to label myself what I know I am. I am a decedent of African, not a descendant of America. There were only one group of people that were genetically from this country and it was not people that look like me or you. But the one thing I cannot do like many of those who are not Black (and there are many Blacks that can go back to other countries BTW), I cannot trace my heritage directly to a "tribe" or Klan (which they are really called BTW) like you and many others could. So to keep a since of my heritage and culture, I choose to call myself African-American. If I could I would consider myself Nigerian-American or South African-American like a famous actress can. And when I go to the World Cup I could cheer for my home country if they were participating (I know a joke is coming), but I cannot do that. And it matters to me that the people that I come from were not allowed to hold citizenship and were slaves. So no, I will never just be American. I cannot trace my background like a fellow official friend of mine who knows how is name was changed to reflect coming to America, rather than hold on to the language his Grandfather spoke. And all of that is important when it is obvious that a lot of my values did not come directly and only from this country.

Peace

Giving your statement some thought, I'm going to add on to my ethnicity, I'm going from American to Broke-American.