You make the call

[CLH]

Great call....but I think we're missing the real topic of discussion here, those are some cool a$$ shirts the Canadian officials wear! I'm moving!!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CLH

Great call....but I think we're missing the real topic of discussion here, those are some cool a$$ shirts the Canadian officials wear! I'm moving!!!

True, but you'd have to learn FIBA rules.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but you'd have to learn FIBA rules.

I think it may be worth it, those are sweet!!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by CLH

I think it may be worth it, those are sweet!!

I love 'em, and I'm old school.

[DLH17]

Flagrant...no way. Pretty good sales job by the defender too. He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him. Offensive player pivoted his entire body. Contact was inevitable. Mess with the bull - you might get the horns. Way to take one for the team.

[eyezen]

I don't think there is anything to debate, much less make a poll. If you had flagrant - non flagrant as the options then it would be legitimate.

If you are one of the 7 who said "no call" please let us know so I know not to work with you ever.

As an aside... for the Canadian version of the Final Four, there sure aren't many in attendance.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him.

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

He's one of those "you have to give him his space" guys.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

So are you one of the people who said this shouldn't be anything?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

So are you one of the people who said this shouldn't be anything?

I watched the play a half dozen times. At first, I just didn't see anything flagrant...still don't. Not even sure I see a foul. Just a quick pivot, elbows high but not extended which makes me think he was almost trying to avoid contact with the defensive player. So, based on that, I voted "nothing". However, I love the aggressive defense. Not a thing wrong with what I saw from the defender with the exception he was a bit of a drama queen.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I watched the play a half dozen times. At first, I just didn't see anything flagrant...still don't. Not even sure I see a foul. Just a quick pivot, elbows high but not extended which makes me think he was almost trying to avoid contact with the defensive player. So, based on that, I voted "nothing". However, I love the aggressive defense. Not a thing wrong with what I saw from the defender with the exception he was a bit of a drama queen.

You don't see a foul? Or you don't think the contact constitutes a foul?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I watched the play a half dozen times. At first, I just didn't see anything flagrant...still don't. Not even sure I see a foul. Just a quick pivot, elbows high but not extended which makes me think he was almost trying to avoid contact with the defensive player. So, based on that, I voted "nothing". However, I love the aggressive defense. Not a thing wrong with what I saw from the defender with the exception he was a bit of a drama queen.

I don't mean this in an offensive manner, but do you officiate basketball? That is absolutely a foul!

Last night, a similar play happened in the UCONN/Virginia Tech game. The officials called the foul and went to the monitor to see if it was flagrant - I can't look at the play in this thread from work, but if I remember right it was more contact than the play last night.

The foul last night was an easy foul and the only thing in question was to determine if it was flagrant. Jim Calhoun ended up getting a T for saying something to the official about this.

[constable]

It's a pretty obvious charge.

PS Flagrant and Player Control fouls don't exist in FIBA.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

And?

None of that has got anything to do with whether a foul should be called or not. The only thing that's really relevant is whether the defender was playing defense legally or not.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.