You make the call

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him.

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

He's one of those "you have to give him his space" guys.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

So are you one of the people who said this shouldn't be anything?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

So are you one of the people who said this shouldn't be anything?

I watched the play a half dozen times. At first, I just didn't see anything flagrant...still don't. Not even sure I see a foul. Just a quick pivot, elbows high but not extended which makes me think he was almost trying to avoid contact with the defensive player. So, based on that, I voted "nothing". However, I love the aggressive defense. Not a thing wrong with what I saw from the defender with the exception he was a bit of a drama queen.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I watched the play a half dozen times. At first, I just didn't see anything flagrant...still don't. Not even sure I see a foul. Just a quick pivot, elbows high but not extended which makes me think he was almost trying to avoid contact with the defensive player. So, based on that, I voted "nothing". However, I love the aggressive defense. Not a thing wrong with what I saw from the defender with the exception he was a bit of a drama queen.

You don't see a foul? Or you don't think the contact constitutes a foul?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You don't see a foul? Or you don't think the contact constitutes a foul?

Still working it out....here's what I see:

almost simoultaneously, the offensive player pivots forward towards defender who is also moving forward into and has two hands on the offensive player's torso.

it's easy to see why the pc foul was called because the upper, outside part of the offensive player's arm makes contact with defensive player....it's not so easy to see the defensive player made first contact.

hats off to the defender for drawing the foul

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I watched the play a half dozen times. At first, I just didn't see anything flagrant...still don't. Not even sure I see a foul. Just a quick pivot, elbows high but not extended which makes me think he was almost trying to avoid contact with the defensive player. So, based on that, I voted "nothing". However, I love the aggressive defense. Not a thing wrong with what I saw from the defender with the exception he was a bit of a drama queen.

I don't mean this in an offensive manner, but do you officiate basketball? That is absolutely a foul!

Last night, a similar play happened in the UCONN/Virginia Tech game. The officials called the foul and went to the monitor to see if it was flagrant - I can't look at the play in this thread from work, but if I remember right it was more contact than the play last night.

The foul last night was an easy foul and the only thing in question was to determine if it was flagrant. Jim Calhoun ended up getting a T for saying something to the official about this.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't mean this in an offensive manner, but do you officiate basketball? That is absolutely a foul!

Last night, a similar play happened in the UCONN/Virginia Tech game. The officials called the foul and went to the monitor to see if it was flagrant - I can't look at the play in this thread from work, but if I remember right it was more contact than the play last night.

The foul last night was an easy foul and the only thing in question was to determine if it was flagrant. Jim Calhoun ended up getting a T for saying something to the official about this.

I'm evolving on this one....here was my most recent reply that you evidently didn't read:

"Still working it out....here's what I see:

almost simoultaneously, the offensive player pivots forward towards defender who is also moving forward into and has two hands on the offensive player's torso.

it's easy to see why the pc foul was called because the upper, outside part of the offensive player's arm makes contact with defensive player....it's not so easy to see the defensive player made first contact.

hats off to the defender for drawing the foul "

[BOFARMA]

There was a travel before the foul. The pivot foot slid, What came first ?
Look close.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I'm evolving on this one....here was my most recent reply that you evidently didn't read:

"Still working it out....here's what I see:

almost simoultaneously, the offensive player pivots forward towards defender who is also moving forward into and has two hands on the offensive player's torso.

it's easy to see why the pc foul was called because the upper, outside part of the offensive player's arm makes contact with defensive player....it's not so easy to see the defensive player made first contact.

hats off to the defender for drawing the foul "

I read your post...so what? This is one reason for watching video and learning from video. What you see on your screen is a foul. Drop that knowledge in your tool bag get ready to learn the next thing.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I don't mean this in an offensive manner, but do you officiate basketball? That is absolutely a foul!

No kidding. I can't believe anyone would try to figure out a way to not call this elbow to the chops.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

No kidding. I can't believe anyone would try to figure out a way to not call this elbow to the chops.

It doesn't appear that anyone is trying to figure out a way to 'no call' this situation.

It does appear that several posters jumped on it and called it a PC foul.

Recent discussion, i.e. traveling, legitimately compromises that conclusion. And, the video clearly supports the argument.

[constable]

It's a pretty obvious charge.

PS Flagrant and Player Control fouls don't exist in FIBA.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

And?

None of that has got anything to do with whether a foul should be called or not. The only thing that's really relevant is whether the defender was playing defense legally or not.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.