You make the call

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Jay R

It could be a valid statement but his argument was that the first call was just a basketball move as the second involved excessive swinging of the elbows. I felt both plays involved excessive swinging of the elbows.

Ah, now I see. Makes sense now with more info. If he thinks the first elbow was just a "basketball move", then he's been a recipient of too many of those "basketball moves".

[Adam]

Just because it was a "basketball move" doesn't make it legal. Great call, great example of announcer cluelessness.

[CLH]

Great call....but I think we're missing the real topic of discussion here, those are some cool a$$ shirts the Canadian officials wear! I'm moving!!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CLH

Great call....but I think we're missing the real topic of discussion here, those are some cool a$$ shirts the Canadian officials wear! I'm moving!!!

True, but you'd have to learn FIBA rules.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but you'd have to learn FIBA rules.

I think it may be worth it, those are sweet!!

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by CLH

I think it may be worth it, those are sweet!!

I love 'em, and I'm old school.

[DLH17]

Flagrant...no way. Pretty good sales job by the defender too. He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him. Offensive player pivoted his entire body. Contact was inevitable. Mess with the bull - you might get the horns. Way to take one for the team.

[eyezen]

I don't think there is anything to debate, much less make a poll. If you had flagrant - non flagrant as the options then it would be legitimate.

If you are one of the 7 who said "no call" please let us know so I know not to work with you ever.

As an aside... for the Canadian version of the Final Four, there sure aren't many in attendance.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

He stepped right up to the offensive player...inches from him.

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

He's one of those "you have to give him his space" guys.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And?

Isn't that how you're supposed to play defense?

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

So are you one of the people who said this shouldn't be anything?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I definitely think it's the way you're supposed to play defense. And, it kind of makes me chuckle fans and coaches freak out when there is some type of contact in that type of situation. Playing good, "tight" defense doesn't mean a player has eliminated the risk of the offensive player contacting them in some way. Play tight D...be prepared for contact. The defender in the play referenced acted as though he never considered the fact the offensive player would pivot. Come on.

And?

None of that has got anything to do with whether a foul should be called or not. The only thing that's really relevant is whether the defender was playing defense legally or not.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.

[rockyroad]

Wow. 7 people have actually said they would no-call this play. That's kind of hard to believe. Dude knew the defender was there, had no reason to throw that elbow out there other than to get a piece of the defender - that's a solid PC foul and the guy deserved to have to sit for a while.

Btw - the announcer is the same Rautins who played at Syracuse in the 80's and now has a nephew (or cousin) playing for Syracuse?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

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Btw - the announcer is the same Rautins who played at Syracuse in the 80's and now has a nephew (or cousin) playing for Syracuse?

Yep and yep (father/son). Rautins played with Pearl Washington I believe.

And Brandon Triche is the nephew of Howard Triche, who played on the '87 Final Four squad.