travel or not

[KenL.nation]

I seen it in a ncaa tournament game, Packer made a comment about simultainious possesion as far as traveling is concerned . Which brings to mind,
that when A1 and B1 are fighting for possesion and before I blow for Jump Ball their feet are moving. I don't consider a traveling call, because there isn't possesion.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

I seen it in a ncaa tournament game, Packer made a comment about simultainious possesion as far as traveling is concerned . Which brings to mind,
that when A1 and B1 are fighting for possesion and before I blow for Jump Ball their feet are moving. I don't consider a traveling call, because there isn't possesion.

There is possession, but I'd go with a held ball. Alternatively, if A1 and A2 are fighting over the ball and even one of them travels, it's a violation.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There is possession, but I'd go with a held ball. Alternatively, if A1 and A2 are fighting over the ball and even one of them travels, it's a violation.

And further, if Packer said it, I'd go with the opposite position. If I wanted to be correct, that is.

[KenL.nation]

Now if A1 and B1 are holding the ball and it's too soon to call jump ball,where is the possession and who has it.
In the effort to secure possession, either A1 or B1 shuffle their respective feet. I don't consider this a travel, I have been allowing it on the premise that it's like a lose ball, and can't find anything in the rule book addressing this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

Now if A1 and B1 are holding the ball and it's too soon to call jump ball,where is the possession and who has it.
In the effort to secure possession, either A1 or B1 shuffle their respective feet. I don't consider this a travel, I have been allowing it on the premise that it's like a lose ball, and can't find anything in the rule book addressing this.

How is it "too soon?" There's no time requirement; I would consider it a held ball if they can't get it loose without traveling or forcing the other player to travel.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

In the effort to secure possession, either A1 or B1 shuffle their respective feet. I don't consider this a travel, I have been allowing it on the premise that it's like a lose ball, and can't find anything in the rule book addressing this.

NFHS rule 4-43-"Traveling(running with the ball) is moving a foot or feet in any direction while holding the ball.". That rule then goes on to define the allowable foot limits.

If you aren't holding the ball, by definition you can't travel.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

NFHS rule 4-43-"Traveling(running with the ball) is moving a foot or feet in any direction while holding the ball.". That rule then goes on to define the allowable foot limits.

If you aren't holding the ball, by definition you can't travel.

His scenario has them holding the ball, so he has to make a choice between a travel and a held ball.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

I seen it.....

I hope you're quoting Packer here.

[KenL.nation]

thanks for the input,
I was just trying to clarify a situation that happens a lot in games that I work.
Usally a lose ball, when opposing players grab the ball. I'll allow a split second for one of the players to gain posession, then I blow for held ball.
But in that instance can there be traveling.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

thanks for the input,
I was just trying to clarify a situation that happens a lot in games that I work.
Usally a lose ball, when opposing players grab the ball. I'll allow a split second for one of the players to gain posession, then I blow for held ball.
But in that instance can there be traveling.

If one player gains player control(holding the ball), then that player can be called for traveling only if the traveling occurs before their opponent ties him up.

[jbduke]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

I seen it in a ncaa tournament game, Packer made a comment about simultainious possesion as far as traveling is concerned . Which brings to mind,
that when A1 and B1 are fighting for possesion and before I blow for Jump Ball their feet are moving. I don't consider a traveling call, because there isn't possesion.

There's no way this happened.

Packer is no longer with CBS

[KenL.nation]

It wasn't Packer it was Rafferty
He called it simultaneous possession

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KenL.nation

It wasn't Packer it was Rafferty
He called it simultaneous possession

My point stands, if they're both in possession of the ball, it's a held ball if one can't get the ball away without undue force. If, in the process of fighting for the ball, one player travels; call the held ball.