The sleaziest coach in a sleazy game

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by DLH17

His tirade during the B12 tournament that earned him a TF was rather entertaining.

The a&*hole doesn't fall very far from the "tree"

[tomegun]

Hoosier Alert!

Does the General have some black marks on his record? Yes. Does he have questionable programs like those ran by Pitino, Calipari, Frank Martin and others? No. Did he have an injury like Coach K and Roy Williams when his team wasn't doing well? No. Does he have more championships than many other coaches while doing it with far lesser talent? Absolutely!

Back in the day, if I had a kid with marginal talent and discipline - which I would have taken care of at home - I would send him to IU in a heartbeat. The only exception that comes to mind is if he was a big man (John Thompson II/Georgetown).

That concludes my Hoosier rant for today.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Hoosier Alert!

Does the General have some black marks on his record? Yes. Does he have questionable programs like those ran by Pitino, Calipari, Frank Martin and others? No. Did he have an injury like Coach K and Roy Williams when his team wasn't doing well? No. Does he have more championships than many other coaches while doing it with far lesser talent? Absolutely!

Back in the day, if I had a kid with marginal talent and discipline - which I would have taken care of at home - I would send him to IU in a heartbeat. The only exception that comes to mind is if he was a big man (John Thompson II/Georgetown).

That concludes my Hoosier rant for today.

I think I have a new man crush!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Does he have questionable programs like those ran by Pitino, Calipari, Frank Martin and others? No.

What exactly was Pitino accused of doing (in the context of basketball, not his affair)? The only thing I can think of is that Pitino took over a UK program already on probation as a result of Eddie Sutton's actions.

Sure, he job hopped a bit, but that hardly translates into questionable programs.

As for Calipari, there has never been any link between him and any wrongdoing. If you're going to tag him with the actions of others, you're probably going to have to toss out half the D1 coaches out there and 10-20 championships (or more)...unless you're going to tell me no other D1 player ever took money from an agent or booster or ever cheated on their SAT....ever.

[DLH17]

Martin runs a questionable program at KSU? Just askin'.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Martin runs a questionable program at KSU? Just askin'.

Have you ever met and talked to Michael Beasley?
Are you aware of the contract one of the KSU assistants received?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Have you ever met and talked to Michael Beasley?
Are you aware of the contract one of the KSU assistants received?

Did Martin recruit Beasely? And, I would expect all NCAA coaches sign contracts...not just one per staff.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Did Martin recruit Beasely? And, I would expect all NCAA coaches sign contracts...not just one per staff.

Obviously, you are more worried about being a smart a$$ than understanding what I'm saying.

1. Beasley suited up during Martin's watch. If I need to slow down for you I will.
2. Yes, all assistants sign contracts, but not like this.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Hoosier Alert!

Does the General have some black marks on his record? Yes. Does he have questionable programs like those ran by Pitino, Calipari, Frank Martin and others? No. Did he have an injury like Coach K and Roy Williams when his team wasn't doing well? No. Does he have more championships than many other coaches while doing it with far lesser talent? Absolutely!

Back in the day, if I had a kid with marginal talent and discipline - which I would have taken care of at home - I would send him to IU in a heartbeat. The only exception that comes to mind is if he was a big man (John Thompson II/Georgetown).

That concludes my Hoosier rant for today.

Disagree completely with the bold text. UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas and Indiana are the premier basketball programs and Bob Knight had his share of talent. IU has been down in talent lately because Henderson wasnt very good, Sampson was better "is" a cheat and a fraud. Crean is a good hire I think but needs time to shake the stink off what Sampson left behind. In time, because hoops is a religion in Indiana, they will have their share of talent as well.

The rest is debateable...

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Disagree completely with the bold text. UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas and Indiana are the premier basketball programs and Bob Knight had his share of talent. IU has been down in talent lately because Henderson wasnt very good, Sampson was better "is" a cheat and a fraud. Crean is a good hire I think but needs time to shake the stink off what Sampson left behind. In time, because hoops is a religion in Indiana, they will have their share of talent as well.

The rest is debateable...

I'm going to have to work on my lists because this is a debate I get into often. Could you name 10 players that Bobby Knight had on his three championship teams? I will give you a head start:

I. Thomas
S. Alford
K. Smart

If you can name 7 more (some are obvious from his first one), you are either from Indiana or a hoops junkie.

On the other hand, Roy Williams won two championships with like 9 first-round draft choices and Dean Smith had about the same. I mention those two coaches because the media loves them so much.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm going to have to work on my lists because this is a debate I get into often. Could you name 10 players that Bobby Knight had on his three championship teams? I will give you a head start:

I. Thomas
S. Alford
K. Smart

If you can name 7 more (some are obvious from his first one), you are either from Indiana or a hoops junkie.

On the other hand, Roy Williams won two championships with like 9 first-round draft choices and Dean Smith had about the same. I mention those two coaches because the media loves them so much.

Scott May & Kent Benson

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Scott May & Kent Benson

A day doesn't go by that I don't mention Quinn Buckner and Bobby Wilkerson

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

A day doesn't go by that I don't mention Quinn Buckner and Bobby Wilkerson

Hey, you need to wait for the annual baseball thread just like the rest of us.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm going to have to work on my lists because this is a debate I get into often. Could you name 10 players that Bobby Knight had on his three championship teams? I will give you a head start:

I. Thomas
S. Alford
K. Smart

If you can name 7 more (some are obvious from his first one), you are either from Indiana or a hoops junkie.

On the other hand, Roy Williams won two championships with like 9 first-round draft choices and Dean Smith had about the same. I mention those two coaches because the media loves them so much.

87 Dean Garret Daryl Thomas Joe Hillman Ricky Calloway (who transfered to Kansas) Todd Meier Steve Eyl Brian (?) Sloan
81 Randy Whitman Ted Kitchel Landon Turner Ray Tolbert Eric Kirchner

But those are just off the top of my head!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Judtech

87 Dean Garret Daryl Thomas Joe Hillman Ricky Calloway (who transfered to Kansas) Todd Meier Steve Eyl Brian (?) Sloan
81 Randy Whitman Ted Kitchel Landon Turner Ray Tolbert Eric Kirchner

But those are just off the top of my head!

Are you from Indiana?

At any rate, I think most would agree it is easier to remember: James Worthy, Michael Jordan, Brad Dougherty, Eric Montross, George Lynch, etc.