More trouble for Herb Pope

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Just saw the replay and the trail had ball coverage. The C had all kinds of players in his area and would not have been looking where the play transpired. The lead would have been the only one and based on his angle I think he was straight-lined. Looking at where his head was I don't believe he was ball watching (no pun intended) and could not see the surreptitious punch to the groin.

You sound awful sanctimonious in your post to me. I am going to give the officials who are working the post season the benefit of the doubt on this one and not refer to them as ball watchers.

Give the benefit all that you wish and even take a few jabs at me while your at it. It won't change the fact that three D1 guys working the post-season completely missed this play. The two players had just been tangled at the opposite end of the court resulting in one of them going to the floor. Any one with half a brain would have kept an eye on those two for the next couple of trips. They didn't. I find that less than stellar officiating. Feel free to disagree.

[BBall_Junkie]

Thank you for giving me your permission to disagree [sarcasm].

Disagree

We all miss plays. And I think the lead may have been looking but could not see through the players. That is why they went to the monitor and then properly dumped the kid.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Give the benefit all that you wish and even take a few jabs at me while your at it. It won't change the fact that three D1 guys working the post-season completely missed this play. The two players had just been tangled at the opposite end of the court resulting in one of them going to the floor. Any one with half a brain would have kept an eye on those two for the next couple of trips. They didn't. I find that less than stellar officiating. Feel free to disagree.

Agree with this 100%. I'm kind of surprised the crew didn't go to the monitor after the first time the Texas Tech player went down.

[rockyroad]

YouTube - Phillip Williams punches Dee Bost in the groin

I thought you guys were talking about this one from Jackson St./Miss St. last night...two instances of players punching opponents in the groin in the same night??? Wow. A little difference in the response from the coaches...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I thought you guys were talking about this one from Jackson St./Miss St. last night...two instances of players punching opponents in the groin in the same night??? Wow. A little difference in the response from the coaches...

"Wow" is right.

I wonder if Nevada thought that was "less than stellar officiating" also.

I don't care who you are or how good you are. Sometimes shots like those are hard to catch.

[BBall_Junkie]

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee;668685]"Wow" is right.

I don't care who you are or how good you are. Sometimes shots like those are hard to catch.[/QUOTE]

This.

[GoodwillRef]

Three top notch officials working the game...all will work mulitple games in the NCAA tourney.


Mike Eades

Roger Ayers

Ray Natili

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Three top notch officials working the game...all will work mulitple games in the NCAA tourney.

Agree. That was not an easy game to do. Seton Hall's idea of defense in the second half was to run 2 or 3 defenders at the dribbler and hope the contact wouldn't be called.

I don't care how good or bad the officials are. You can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh!t.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Three top notch officials working the game...all will work mulitple games in the NCAA tourney.


Mike Eades

Roger Ayers

Ray Natili

I know Roger and he is absolutely good people. He gives a TON back to officiating and has his head screwed on straight. Does not have the outsized ego that some officials at that level sometimes get. I am sure that he spent a VERY big portion of the post game going over what happened and how they can avoid it happening again. I am fairly certain that he is glad they got it right, even if they had to go to the monitor.
Mike is also a good guy and a great official, but I apparently turned this into the Roger Ayers tribute thread!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Give the benefit all that you wish and even take a few jabs at me while your at it. It won't change the fact that three D1 guys working the post-season completely missed this play. The two players had just been tangled at the opposite end of the court resulting in one of them going to the floor. Any one with half a brain would have kept an eye on those two for the next couple of trips. They didn't. I find that less than stellar officiating. Feel free to disagree.

I would love to watch a game you officiate.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by deecee

I would love to watch a game you officiate.

I don't think NV point is that he is better than the officials on the floor (of course I could be wrong). The point is that the two players were involved in an altercation just the play before resulting a player on the floor. Someone on the crew at the very least should have been watching them come up the floor; it is called game awareness.

Granted, the T was officiating the ball coming up the court. The C and L should've have had an immediate whistle when the Tx Tech player went down to addressed what happened, even if they didn't see the foul; it was the Red Raider's ball. The Tx Tech player was on the floor for about 5 seconds before a whistle was blown to address him.

As a result, the play may have cost the Seton Hall coach his job for other reasons besides wins and losses.

Seton Hall fires hoops coach Bobby Gonzalez - College Basketball - Rivals.com

[rockyroad]

There was no "altercation" on the previous trip down the floor...a body went down during rebounding action. That happens quite often. There was nothing there to make the officials go "Oh my God. What did we just miss"...the benefit of multiple replay camera angles has shown us what happened, but for the crew on the court, there was no huge "We have to watch this guy" moment. The SH player pulled a bullsh!t move and it was dealt with...

[CLH]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

There was no "altercation" on the previous trip down the floor...a body went down during rebounding action. That happens quite often. There was nothing there to make the officials go "Oh my God. What did we just miss"...the benefit of multiple replay camera angles has shown us what happened, but for the crew on the court, there was no huge "We have to watch this guy" moment. The SH player pulled a bullsh!t move and it was dealt with...

What more does it take for a crew to go "oh my God. What did we just miss?" The player didn't just fall, he flew across the court. Call me paranoid but thats an "oh my God" action for me. Ok, so they missed that one, fine, it happens. ...but, they most certainly should have had an eagle eye on those two players during the ensuing play. Its no secret I'm not a fan of mens officials, but I do feel this crew called a great game. However, they dropped the ball on this one and thankfully he monitor saved them

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

The point is that the two players were involved in an altercation just the play before resulting a player on the floor. Someone on the crew at the very least should have been watching them come up the floor; it is called game awareness.

Originally Posted by CLH

Ok, so they missed that one, fine, it happens. ...but, they most certainly should have had an eagle eye on those two players during the ensuing play. Its no secret I'm not a fan of mens officials, but I do feel this crew called a great game. However, they dropped the ball on this one and thankfully the monitor saved them

I agree with the two comments above.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

There was no "altercation" on the previous trip down the floor...a body went down during rebounding action. That happens quite often. There was nothing there to make the officials go "Oh my God. What did we just miss"...the benefit of multiple replay camera angles has shown us what happened, but for the crew on the court, there was no huge "We have to watch this guy" moment. The SH player pulled a bullsh!t move and it was dealt with...

Apparently from the latest news stories out, there sureasheck was an altercation on the rebounding play. According to reports, Pope gave the TT player a nut-shot on that play too. Not quite as obvious though. He went 2 for 2 on low blows.

He should be that accurate shooting free throws.