Awkward Jump Ball Administration - Foreshadowing....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please don't do this.
Not only is it not proper procedure according to the NFHS manual, but it looks condescending. It seems like you are treating the players as if they are in elementary school. At the HS level, the players know which basket they are headed towards, especially at the varsity level.

Sure they do.

Does the manual tell you which sock to put on first?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I stopped doing it b/c I noticed the officials whose work games aspire to work don't do it.

I agree. The big boys don't do that. It is for rec leagues and little kiddie games.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree. The big boys don't do that. It is for rec leagues and little kiddie games.

You should have the same scorn then for those who don't notify the captains before the toss and for those that don't whistle in subs. After all, both of those items are in the NFHS manual.

Edited to add: Before I'm accused of being snarky, I don't really do this often, but there are games (mainly small school (in rural areas) games) where I do. I *have* had jumpers line up the wrong way in varsity contests.

That said, you're right. It's really an unnecessary thing and for someone who's captain's meeting averages about 12 seconds (seriously), it seems weird I'd add anything extraneous like this.

[grunewar]

Glad I asked the question as now I will start my games a bit differently as I don't want to come off as a "newbie" or "rook".

My question still remains though -

Let's say hypothetically, you do TWEET! "Ready?" (nothing more) and W11 will not get set. He moves about the circle with his defender following him..... three seconds, five seconds, seven seconds......and you are standing there ready to jump the ball.

Do you say something to him? Do you immediately TWEET! Blue ball! What action do you take (if any) and how long do you wait?

Thanks for the interesting input as I will alter some of my "bad habits."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It strikes me the same as crossing one's body to point direction on an OOB call instead of using the other arm.

They should be horse-whipped.

Horse-whipped, I tell ya!!

How come nobody ever says somebody should be cow-whipped? Or poodle-whipped? I've spent many hours pondering that question. Many, many hours. Almost as many as the number of hours I've spent not worrying if somebody got an OOB call right but didn't point exactly by the manual.

Gnu-whipped?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Let's say hypothetically, you do TWEET! "Ready?" (nothing more) and W11 will not get set. He moves about the circle with his defender following him..... three seconds, five seconds, seven seconds......and you are standing there ready to jump the ball.

Do you say something to him? Do you immediately TWEET! Blue ball! What action do you take (if any) and how long do you wait?

First, you should say "ready" and then tweet. If someone is still moving as / before you say ready, then they aren't.

If someone is moving, I would use one of the following:

1) "As soon as A11 is ready, we can start."

2) "You need to find a spot and not change."

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

They should be horse-whipped.

Horse-whipped, I tell ya!!

How come nobody ever says somebody should be cow-whipped? Or poodle-whipped? I've spent many hours pondering that question. Many, many hours. Almost as many as the number of hours I've spent not worrying if somebody got an OOB call right but didn't point exactly by the manual.

Gnu-whipped?

I'm glad you left those poor beavers off your list. I don't know if I could take another mental image of a beaver gettin' whipped.

You know, this is one argument I actually agree with both of you. Nah, I'm not running for political office, but there really is validity on both sides. First, I agree with you that getting the call right is the most important thing. I even had one supervisor tell me the story about how he was marked down on an evaluation once because he didn't have his thumb tucked in properly when he pointed! And, no mention was given as to whether any of his calls were correct. Since then, when he observes officials, his most important criteria is whether the calls are correct.

There is also a reason we have a specific set of signals and mechanics, so we can effectively communicate with players and coaches, no matter where we are, or what gym we work. Plus, the better we look, the more likely we will be perceived as professional and that we know what we're doing. If I work with an official that is sloppy with their mechanics, how do I know they aren't sloppy with their rules knowledge as well? If they don't want to take the time to learn the proper areas of coverage and signals, chances are they aren't going to know some of the rule basics as well.

That said, if I work with an official for the first time who steps into the circle saying, "Red this way, white that way", chances are they probably also just got there 10 minutes before, already wearing their collared shirt and belted pants, and I know I'm going to have issues all game. But if I work with someone for the first time who got there early, had a good pregame, looks sharp, shoes shined, then steps into the circle and says the same thing - I'm not going to think twice about it.

Procedures, signals, and mechanics are all part of the total picture, along with rules and judgement.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't know if I could take another mental image of a beaver gettin' whipped.

Sure you could. Why should today be different than any other day?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sure you could. Why should today be different than any other day?

Umm...gave it up for Lent?

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That said, if I work with an official for the first time who steps into the circle saying, "Red this way, white that way", chances are they probably also just got there 10 minutes before, already wearing their collared shirt and belted pants, and I know I'm going to have issues all game.

Or maybe they are an IAABO official, which relies on its own mechanics manual, not the one the HFHS publishes.

IAABO mechanic for jump ball for the referee:
"Verbally and by directional signal indicate the teams' basket."

So in these parts, the official who does not do that is seen as the one who arrived 10 minutes early, doesn't care about prescribed mechanics, etc.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Or maybe they are an IAABO official, which relies on its own mechanics manual, not the one the HFHS publishes.

IAABO mechanic for jump ball for the referee:
"Verbally and by directional signal indicate the teams' basket."

So in these parts, the official who does not do that is seen as the one who arrived 10 minutes early, doesn't care about prescribed mechanics, etc.

Point taken. This example was not meant to be a slam on IAABO mechanics, but rather an extention of the example given by Nevadaref's response to Snaqwells. You can insert any other non-approved mechanic in my response.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Umm...gave it up for Lent?

Naw, you gave it up because you're beaver-whipped.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Naw, you gave it up because you're beaver-whipped.

Shut up.

(At least I didn't give saying that up for Lent.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Or maybe they are an IAABO official, which relies on its own mechanics manual, not the one the HFHS publishes.

IAABO mechanic for jump ball for the referee:
"Verbally and by directional signal indicate the teams' basket."

So in these parts, the official who does not do that is seen as the one who arrived 10 minutes early, doesn't care about prescribed mechanics, etc.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Point taken. This example was not meant to be a slam on IAABO mechanics, but rather an extention of the example given by Nevadaref's response to Snaqwells. You can insert any other non-approved mechanic in my response.

Actually, this makes me feel better, as I am in an IAABO state. I could have sworn I'd seen it in the manual, but took NV's word that it was not. BayState's post got me to double check and sure enough, there it is. Maybe that explains why the partners I've seen do that mechanic don't also talk about black lines and hand checks during the captains' meeting.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Actually, this makes me feel better, as I am in an IAABO state. I could have sworn I'd seen it in the manual, but took NV's word that it was not. BayState's post got me to double check and sure enough, there it is. Maybe that explains why the partners I've seen do that mechanic don't also talk about black lines and hand checks during the captains' meeting.

It's funny how it's considered childish and elementary school by someone in a non-IAABO area and it's just considered good, solid mechanics in an IAABO area.

Like I originally thought, it's much ado about nothing.