Quiz time for newbies

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Hmmm. Rethinking now.

Snaqs, if that exact situation came up in a state championship game that you were doing, would you ignore the double-touch because of the logic that Mike used? Or would you go with the way that it has been traditionally called?

Or...do you disagree that this play has been traditionally called a violation?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Snaqs, if that exact situation came up in a state championship game that you were doing, would you ignore the double-touch because of the logic that Mike used? Or would you go with the way that it has been traditionally called?

Or...do you disagree that this play has been traditionally called a violation?

I've never seen it, called or no-called, so I have no opinion on how it's "traditionally" been called. I'll defer to you on that.

My initial thought was to call it a violation, but as I read the rule I questioned that based on the same thought process mbyron posted.

[jalons]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I've never seen it, called or no-called, so I have no opinion on how it's "traditionally" been called. I'll defer to you on that.

My initial thought was to call it a violation, but as I read the rule I questioned that based on the same thought process mbyron posted.

I have never called it or seen it called either. However, I would rule this a violation based on 4.15.4 Situation D, as JR has pointed out.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I've never seen it, called or no-called, so I have no opinion on how it's "traditionally" been called. I'll defer to you on that.

My initial thought was to call it a violation, but as I read the rule I questioned that based on the same thought process mbyron posted.

That thought process is wrong. He erroneously makes "up" an element of the rule.

[Mark Padgett]

Gee - nobody asked me what I called. I guess nobody cares.

[Gargil]

Did you call a travel??

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Gargil

Did you call a travel??

No, I called icing, er, I mean, illegal dribble.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That thought process is wrong. He erroneously makes "up" an element of the rule.

The rule says: "During a dribble the ball may be batted into the air provided it is permitted to strike the floor before the ball is touched again with the hand(s)."

Yes, I interpret "into the air" to mean 'up'. What do you think it means?

There's air all around the ball, so any batting of the ball sends it into air. If "into the air" doesn't mean 'up' or some specific direction, what does the phrase add to the rule? And if it adds nothing to the rule, then there's no reason for it to be there. That doesn't make sense of the rule, but just ignores part of it.