Time Out Request

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by HoBCat

Indiana HS game, 6.9 seconds left. trailing team cuts it to one and requests a time-out they do not have. Refs ignore request. almost 5 seconds go off clock and leading team inbounds and is fouled with 2.2.

A poster on another board and I are arguing this one. I keep saying the coach can only request the time out and if the refs judgement is that you don't have any to use and the other team would be put at a disadvantage if they granted it and T'd up the requesting team, thus stopping the clock, then there is no obligation to grant the request.

Help me settle this one please.

There's no HS rule saying you would not grant a timeout request because it might "put the other team at a disadvantage". Are you sure the refs didn't grant the request because at the time the coach requested it, the other team already had the ball at their disposal? That's what it sounds like to me.

The only thing the refs would ignore in this situation would be a delay of game warning, which would stop the clock. There is a rule for that.

[HoBCat]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

There's no HS rule saying you would not grant a timeout request because it might "put the other team at a disadvantage". Are you sure the refs didn't grant the request because at the time the coach requested it, the other team already had the ball at their disposal? That's what it sounds like to me.

The only thing the refs would ignore in this situation would be a delay of game warning, which would stop the clock. There is a rule for that.

Actually, the team requesting the time out was complaining that the other team was delaying by not picking up the ball, they let it roll around a little and then picked it up and immediately chucked it in. The inbounder was kind of straddling the ball, not touching it backing up with it watching team mates and when he saw one open he picked it up and passed it in.

It happened pretty quick, but I think the ref started the 5 count as soon as the inbounding teams player went out of bounds and was about 5 feet from the ball.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by HoBCat

It happened pretty quick, but I think the ref started the 5 count as soon as the inbounding teams player went out of bounds and was about 5 feet from the ball.

If the count had started, the ball was considered at the disposal of the team, so it was proper to ignore the request, but all this has nothing to do with whether the team had a timeout left or not.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by HoBCat

Actually, the team requesting the time out was complaining that the other team was delaying by not picking up the ball, they let it roll around a little and then picked it up and immediately chucked it in. The inbounder was kind of straddling the ball, not touching it backing up with it watching team mates and when he saw one open he picked it up and passed it in.

It happened pretty quick, but I think the ref started the 5 count as soon as the inbounding teams player went out of bounds and was about 5 feet from the ball.

Once the official started his count the ball was considered at Team A's disposal and Team B should not be granted a time-out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HoBCat

Actually, the team requesting the time out was complaining that the other team was delaying by not picking up the ball, they let it roll around a little and then picked it up and immediately chucked it in. The inbounder was kind of straddling the ball, not touching it backing up with it watching team mates and when he saw one open he picked it up and passed it in.

It happened pretty quick, but I think the ref started the 5 count as soon as the inbounding teams player went out of bounds and was about 5 feet from the ball.

1. If the timeout request was made prior to the official starting his count, it should have been granted.
2. If it was made after he started the count, ignore it.
3. If it's too close to tell, I'd ignore it.

Why was the team complaining if the official had started his count? Morons.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why was the team complaining if the official had started his count? Morons.

Seems like you answered your own question.

[bbcof83]

Question about the procedure after the excess TO is granted.

Calling (granting) official goes to the table, reports TO. Then what?

Here is how I would do it. First notify the coaches that a TO is granted but we will have a technical foul coming out. Then, blow whistle and signal technical foul (very understatedly, no need to make a big flashy deal of it).

Is this outlined somewhere? Is it even necessary to blow your whistle and signal the T?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Is it even necessary to blow your whistle and signal the T?

No.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Question about the procedure after the excess TO is granted.

Calling (granting) official goes to the table, reports TO. Then what?

Here is how I would do it. First notify the coaches that a TO is granted but we will have a technical foul coming out. Then, blow whistle and signal technical foul (very understatedly, no need to make a big flashy deal of it).

Is this outlined somewhere? Is it even necessary to blow your whistle and signal the T?

There is some question as to whether to administer the 2 FTs before or after the time-out. I'm not sure that I've ever seen any clear guidance on this.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is some question as to whether to administer the 2 FTs before or after the time-out. I'm not sure that I've ever seen any clear guidance on this.

Was just going to ask for guidance on this one as I realized I'm not sure.

Anyone remember what happened on the Weber/Michigan technical? I sure don't, and I also realize it may or may not be correct.

I lean on the side of having the TO, then administering the FTs. The TO was requested and granted first, that then caused the technical foul. Plus (the more I think about it) a team could request a TO after a technical were called and before the throws were administered and it would be granted and administered prior to the throws.

Yep, I've talked myself into administering the TO first, then the technical foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is some question as to whether to administer the 2 FTs before or after the time-out. I'm not sure that I've ever seen any clear guidance on this.

Really? Shoot the FTs after the TO.

[AKOFL]

Why was the team complaining if the official had started his count? Morons.[/QUOTE]

I am a moron, and am very offended.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Why was the team complaining if the official had started his count? Morons.

I am a moron, and am very offended.[/QUOTE]

You sure that's how it's spelled?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by eyezen

You sure that's how it's spelled?

Wow, complete with Mullet and everything.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, complete with Mullet and everything.

Actually sums up most Cardinal fans I know.

(I know this is off topic, but aren't you getting goosebumps knowing we're getting close to the start of the Annual Baseball Thread?!?)

Anyway, back to the TO's. Doesn't Bob's advice follow the NFHS "standard procedure" applying penalties in the order they occured? So, in the case of the excess TO request, the TO was granted, then it was determined it was an excessive TO, so it makes sense the penalty comes after the TO.