Murphy's Law in Mass

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My first year officiating high school ball, I had a boys soph game in which I had this very scenario. Early in the game I give him a T for reaching across and slapping the ball on a throw-in. Later, I have to ring him up for complaining about a no-call.
When I called the state to file the report, they said they weren't concerned about it and wouldn't suspend him since only one T fit what they considered to be a sportsmanship issue.

Granted, it wasn't a playoff game, but still....

I can understand the state's thinking in this matter...they were going with the "spirit and intent".

I personally think this particular 'T' should be a Team Technical or an Indirect to the player. But I don't write the rules.

[biz]

Update on this story. Lynn English lost its next game in the tournament by one. Most definitely would have been a different game if Woumn played, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

The only word I have on the officials is that all 3 are supposedly college officials. I wouldn't take that information to the bank, but it raises a question for me. I'm not very familiar with NCAA rules, so I'm wondering if the T for reaching through the plane and making contact with the ball carries a different penalty in NCAA-M or NCAA-W?

I know we have plenty of NCAA officials out there who can set me straight.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I can understand the state's thinking in this matter...they were going with the "spirit and intent".

I personally think this particular 'T' should be a Team Technical or an Indirect to the player. But I don't write the rules.

Originally Posted by biz

Update on this story. Lynn English lost its next game in the tournament by one. Most definitely would have been a different game if Woumn played, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

The only word I have on the officials is that all 3 are supposedly college officials. I wouldn't take that information to the bank, but it raises a question for me. I'm not very familiar with NCAA rules, so I'm wondering if the T for reaching through the plane and making contact with the ball carries a different penalty in NCAA-M or NCAA-W?

I know we have plenty of NCAA officials out there who can set me straight.

Section 6. (Men) CLASS B TECHNICAL INFRACTIONS

j. Reaching through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touching or dislodging the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in Rule 7-5.6.b.

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Section 6. (Men) CLASS B TECHNICAL INFRACTIONS

j. Reaching through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touching or dislodging the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in Rule 7-5.6.b.

Class B is akin to an indirect, correct?
Know your codes, peoples!!

[BayStateRef]

From the local newspaper:

According to English athletic director Gary Molea, the referee -- a college official -- explained that he'd meant to warn Woumn that he was not allowed to interfere with the ball. In college, Molea said, there is a distinction made between a technical for unsportsmanlike conduct, and one for delay of game, whereas in high school there is not.

"But," he said, "the referees got together and he (the official) admitted his mistake, and said he was only trying to warn Woumn. They call it an administrative technical."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

From the local newspaper:

According to English athletic director Gary Molea, the referee -- a college official -- explained that he'd meant to warn Woumn that he was not allowed to interfere with the ball. In college, Molea said, there is a distinction made between a technical for unsportsmanlike conduct, and one for delay of game, whereas in high school there is not.

"But," he said, "the referees got together and he (the official) admitted his mistake, and said he was only trying to warn Woumn. They call it an administrative technical."

My opinion is that he really screwed it up. If he isn't willing to make the effort to properly know the NFHS rules, then he should stick to the NCAA level.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My opinion is that he really screwed it up. If he isn't willing to make the effort to properly know the NFHS rules, then he should stick to the NCAA level.

+1 If he only wanted to "warn" the player, he should have done it discreetly. That said, once the player slaps the ball, a "warning" is hard to justify.