Murphy's Law in Mass

[Amesman]

Seems kinda odd that only the assistant coach is quoted. Thought I was eventually going to read the head coach was tossed.

[amusedofficial]

Got more details. The fouls were for 1) unsporting conduct and 2)for touching or dislodging the ball on a throw-in. Apparently the calling official said he didn't want to eject the kid for the second T so he didn't! The state association has a rule that disqualification for two technicals means a suspension, so they rsuspended him for the next playoff game anyway.

This all apparently happened in the first quarter and the kid went on to score a boatload. The opposing coach must be beside himself.

Tournament officials, too.

[Adam]

From whom did you get those details?

[amusedofficial]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

From whom did you get those details?

take your pick

Lynn English's Woumn hit with 1-game suspension - The Boston Globe

Lynn English star suspended - BostonHerald.com

Krause: Don't blame MIAA for English predicament

Bulldogs' Woumn suspended, but Prep still has tall order - SalemNews.com, Salem, MA

apparently this school has some kind of recruiting scandal on top of all this

[Adam]

Well then, this is what happens when officials insert their own opinions into the rules. I'm not a fan of the MIAA (handshakes), but they did the right thing here.

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Apparently the calling official said he didn't want to eject the kid for the second T so he didn't! T

Found the applicable rule:

10-3-PENALTY-NOTE-EXCEPTION: If the official who charges a single flagrant technical foul or the second technical foul isn't in the mood to disqualify the offending player, then 10-3-PENALTY-NOTE doesn't apply, and the player may continue playing.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by sseltser

Found the applicable rule:

10-3-PENALTY-NOTE-EXCEPTION: If the official who charges a single flagrant technical foul or the second technical foul isn't in the mood to disqualify the offending player, then 10-3-PENALTY-NOTE doesn't apply, and the player may continue playing.

I'm in a particularly gullible mood this morning and don't have my books in the office; I assume this is a joke lol...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Got more details. The fouls were for 1) unsporting conduct and 2)for touching or dislodging the ball on a throw-in. Apparently the calling official said he didn't want to eject the kid for the second T so he didn't! The state association has a rule that disqualification for two technicals means a suspension, so they suspended him for the next playoff game anyway.

This all apparently happened in the first quarter and the kid went on to score a boatload. The opposing coach must be beside himself.

Tournament officials, too.

Oh my.......

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Got more details. The fouls were for 1) unsporting conduct and 2)for touching or dislodging the ball on a throw-in. Apparently the calling official said he didn't want to eject the kid for the second T so he didn't! The state association has a rule that disqualification for two technicals means a suspension, so they rsuspended him for the next playoff game anyway.

This all apparently happened in the first quarter and the kid went on to score a boatload. The opposing coach must be beside himself.

Tournament officials, too.

Can you get a follow up on this? In my neck of the woods, that official could be toast for any tournament games in the coming years.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Can you get a follow up on this? In my neck of the woods, that official could be toast for any tournament games in the coming years.

If true, that might be correct for most necks of the woods.

The bottom line is that you should just follow the rules in cases like this. Never inject your own personal beliefs. Let the governing body decide what they want to do next. That's their job, not our's.

JMO....

[Adam]

My first year officiating high school ball, I had a boys soph game in which I had this very scenario. Early in the game I give him a T for reaching across and slapping the ball on a throw-in. Later, I have to ring him up for complaining about a no-call.
When I called the state to file the report, they said they weren't concerned about it and wouldn't suspend him since only one T fit what they considered to be a sportsmanship issue.

Granted, it wasn't a playoff game, but still....

[biz]

This happened in my neck of the woods...I do not know who worked the game, but I will see if I can find out what the deal is.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My first year officiating high school ball, I had a boys soph game in which I had this very scenario. Early in the game I give him a T for reaching across and slapping the ball on a throw-in. Later, I have to ring him up for complaining about a no-call.
When I called the state to file the report, they said they weren't concerned about it and wouldn't suspend him since only one T fit what they considered to be a sportsmanship issue.

Granted, it wasn't a playoff game, but still....

I can understand the state's thinking in this matter...they were going with the "spirit and intent".

I personally think this particular 'T' should be a Team Technical or an Indirect to the player. But I don't write the rules.

[biz]

Update on this story. Lynn English lost its next game in the tournament by one. Most definitely would have been a different game if Woumn played, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

The only word I have on the officials is that all 3 are supposedly college officials. I wouldn't take that information to the bank, but it raises a question for me. I'm not very familiar with NCAA rules, so I'm wondering if the T for reaching through the plane and making contact with the ball carries a different penalty in NCAA-M or NCAA-W?

I know we have plenty of NCAA officials out there who can set me straight.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Can you get a follow up on this? In my neck of the woods, that official could be toast for any tournament games in the coming years.

And what about that official's partners, who conspired in this travesty? Seems that plenty of toast should be in the offing.