Intentional?

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Read it again Ronny. It's NOT "An intentional foul shall be charged when the contact is judged to be excessive WHILE PLAYING THE BALL." It's, "An intentional foul shall be charged when the contact is judged to be excessive, even though the opponent is playing the ball."

In other words, excessive contact is alway intentional and "playing the ball" is not an excuse (despite what the coaches will plead)

The case play wording quoted by you is correct. The rule is very specifically worded, however. It doesn't imply it states "while playing the ball"

Anyway, why no intentionals on a hard player control foul? Why no intentionals on a hard illegal pick?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing - i'm just trying to understand.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Do the rules allow an intentional foul for excessive contact to be called on a player holding or dribbling the ball? For example, the dribbler lowers the shoulder and runs completely over a LGP defender. A lot of contact occurs?

While on the subject, how about the illegal hard screen away from the ball where the screener extends the arms and "decleats' the person being screened?

If yes on either, what is the wording in the definition that allows this to be intentional?

I saw a play under NCAA rules where player A1 had secured a loose ball and player B1 was pressuring him.

A1 swings a vicious elbow and knocks B1 to the floor.

Officials called an intentional foul on A1.

q.e.d.

[just another ref]

Only flagrant personal I ever called in a varsity game was on a player with the ball.