block/charge by rule

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I agree with Bob: the specification of how to obtain LGP does not require that the opponent be in contact with the court.

We're discussing a specific play here. In this specific play it doesn't matter where the defender is when A1 is airborne...it matters where the defender is when A1 lands. B1 can dance an Irish jig while A1 is airborne.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're discussing a specific play here. In this specific play it doesn't matter where the defender is when A1 is airborne...it matters where the defender is when A1 lands. B1 can dance an Irish jig while A1 is airborne.

While he can't gain LGP within the flight path of A1, he can certainly gain LGP one inch beyond that path.

The OP still hasn't cleared up whether B1 established LGP prior to A2 leaving the floor, or after.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

While he can't gain LGP within the flight path of A1, he can certainly gain LGP one inch beyond that path.

The OP still hasn't cleared up whether B1 established LGP prior to A2 leaving the floor, or after.

Which is why I'm drawing out this conversation:

Originally Posted by splitveer

... while in the air A2 caught the ball with B1 gaining legal guarding position and before A2 landed he crashed into B1...

How did B1 gain LGP while A2 was airborne if A2 crashed into B1 before landing?

[Rich]

Last night we had a play where the home coach wasn't pleased with the call, but I know it was the right one.

B22 goes up for a rebound. He skies, get the ball, and A4 slides just enough under him so when B22 lands he hits A4's leg (which is outside his torso) and stumbles to the floor. I immediately call a foul on A4. Coach asked how it was a foul after I reported and went tableside. Simple reply: "He's gotta let him land there."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How did B1 gain LGP while A2 was airborne if A2 crashed into B1 before landing?

I agree, which is why I asked the question initially. I'm basing the ambiguity on the fact that he was asking about time and distance.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I agree, which is why I asked the question initially. I'm basing the ambiguity on the fact that he was asking about time and distance.

Agreed about "time and distance" not being a factor here.

But in this specific play we don't know for sure if defender has LGP until airborne player either crashes before landing or lands before crashing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which is why I'm drawing out this conversation:



How did B1 gain LGP while A2 was airborne if A2 crashed into B1 before landing?

In that specific example, he didn't.

That wasn't what I was responding to.

The thread also included comments about landing and then crashing, and you said it was impossible to establish LGP until landing. My response is specifically to that statement.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In that specific example, he didn't.

That wasn't what I was responding to.

The thread also included comments about landing and then crashing, and you said it was impossible to establish LGP until landing. My response is specifically to that statement.

What B1 was doing while A2 is airborne is irrelevent. It's the fact that B1 had LGP when A2 landed that is relevent. That's basically my point.

The OP stated that B1 established LGP while A2 was airborne but that A2 crashed into B1 before landing. With all the back-and-forth, that very important snippet of the post was not addressed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What B1 was doing while A2 is airborne is irrelevent. It's the fact that B1 had LGP when A2 landed that is relevent. That's basically my point.

The OP stated that B1 established LGP while A2 was airborne but that A2 crashed into B1 before landing. With all the back-and-forth, that very important snippet of the post was not addressed.

Actually, the very first two responses in thread addressed it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Actually, the very first two responses in thread addressed it.

I'm more prone to read msg #7.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm more prone to read msg #7.

LMAO

I still haven't found out whether I was wrong, though.

[splitveer]

Thanks for all the thoughts. My big concern was with time and distance. I do know that if LGP was established before A2 left the floor then caught the ball it will be a charge. If A2 lands then crashes into B1 who has established LGP then it is also a charge. The key here is gaining LGP to enforce the block charge call. I didn't know if because A2 was in the air without the ball he had the same stipulations as in a time and distance situation with someone moving without the ball. My interpretation through this process and the rule book has led me to when A2 catches the ball he is now under the same rules as a player in control of the ball and time and distance are not required.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by splitveer

Thanks for all the thoughts. My big concern was with time and distance. I do know that if LGP was established before A2 left the floor then caught the ball it will be a charge. If A2 lands then crashes into B1 who has established LGP then it is also a charge. The key here is gaining LGP to enforce the block charge call. I didn't know if because A2 was in the air without the ball he had the same stipulations as in a time and distance situation with someone moving without the ball. My interpretation through this process and the rule book has led me to when A2 catches the ball he is now under the same rules as a player in control of the ball and time and distance are not required.

So was I right in assuming, with your play, that B1 had established LGP prior to A2 becoming airborne?

You're right, Time and Distance aren't relevant, even if he leaves the floor without the ball, once A2 makes the catch.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So was I right in assuming, with your play, that B1 had established LGP prior to A2 becoming airborne?

You're right, Time and Distance aren't relevant, even if he leaves the floor without the ball, once A2 makes the catch.

Not clear until he clarifies this:

Originally Posted by splitveer

...and while in the air A2 caught the ball with B1 gaining legal guarding position...

Reads like B1 was still moving to get LGP when A2 was airborne. Now, if he were to amend to read: ...and while in the air A2 caught the ball with B1 having gained legal guarding position prior to A2 leaving his feet...

[splitveer]

You are correct.