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Simulaneous time out and foul
Loose ball, A1, A2 and B1 are scrambling for it. Just as A1 secures the ball, I have a foul on B1 and my partner has a whistle at the same time. We get together and I tell him I have a foul, he tells me he has a timeout request by HC for team A.
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Make a decision.
In your case, I probably lean towards the foul because the play was in your primary so I would say it would take longer for your partner to recognize that A1 has player control. His granting of the time-out may have been premature. But I'm making assumptions.
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I'd allow him to rescind it. Someone will be along soon to say it was already granted.
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I am not granting the timeout if you call the foul....even if you have the timeout first you could have a dead ball technical if the contact if severe enough on the foul.
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The coach would definitely get the choice of whether he still wanted the timeout in my game.
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The gray area of when the time out is granted: It appears often. Here, as well as in games.
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You've got to decide which was first, the granting of the TO or the foul. Under normal circumstances granting the TO first would be a good way to keep a foul out of the book.
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Is there a rule that either disputes this or backs it up? |
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Which means our friend from the Donner Pass region should be along shortly to argue that rule.
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By rule, your partner was right. However....
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I realize it's a mechanic and not a rule, but 3.4.4 A. 5. says "Do not grant a time-out after a foul until the necessary information has been given to the scorer.
It's weak, but you could point to this as a reason to give the coach a chance to rescind his request. Since you shouldn't grant the TO until after you report the foul you've decided occurred before the timeout, you don't have to give it. Now, the same mechanic also says not to grant a TO while the ball is in possession of neither team or the opposing team, interrupted dribble, etc, and we know if we do grant one it is granted. So, like I say, weak argument. But use it if you like. |
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Well, the good news is that he still wanted the time out. He was just arguing with me about how "by rule you have to give me the option of taking it or not."
I told him, "Coach, I'm not sure what rule you're referring to, but I'll make sure to look into it after the game." |
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As Tom Hanks would say, "There's no simultaneous in basketball".
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