Off Ball Crash

[SoInZebra]

A1 drives down the lane and passes the ball to A2. Before or after A2 makes a lay-up A1 charges into B1 who has established legal guarding position. Specifically I'm interested in hearing thoughts and philosophy on how to referee this play as well as mechanically who has first crack.

[rfp]

I usually pre-game this. In 2-man, L stays with the ball and T has responsibility for the passer. If defender has and maintains legal guarding position, passer is responsible for the contact: team control foul and a great defensive play.

I've never seen this where the contact happens after the lay-up; that's a lot of time to pass.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by rfp

I usually pre-game this. In 2-man, L stays with the ball and T has responsibility for the passer. If defender has and maintains legal guarding position, passer is responsible for the contact: team control foul and a great defensive play.

I've never seen this where the contact happens after the lay-up; that's a lot of time to pass.

Interesting. I have always been told (2 person) that if the ball handler starts his/her drive from your area, you have the crash, the other official (L or T) has the pass.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Interesting. I have always been told (2 person) that if the ball handler starts his/her drive from your area, you have the crash, the other official (L or T) has the pass.

If you work from a "referee the defense" perspective, sometimes it's better for the ref who's been following the defender throughout the play to take the crash. So if A1 drives down the key, and B1 is stationary in the key, Lead would take the crash, since L has been with the defense all along. T has been following the play, and continues to follow the ball.

IMO, this is a top priority for pre-game, especially to agree about it.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

If you work from a "referee the defense" perspective, sometimes it's better for the ref who's been following the defender throughout the play to take the crash. So if A1 drives down the key, and B1 is stationary in the key, Lead would take the crash, since L has been with the defense all along. T has been following the play, and continues to follow the ball.

IMO, this is a top priority for pre-game, especially to agree about it.

Agree on everything stated here.

[hoopguy]

Our IAABO board interpreter is very specific in stating that in two person mechanics "Lead always stays with the ball and trail has the pass and crash".(this is in reference to the OP on drive down the lane) Could be an IAABO mechanic. I would definitely agree that it should be a part of the pre-game discussion.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by SoInZebra

A1 drives down the lane and passes the ball to A2. Before or after A2 makes a lay-up A1 charges into B1 who has established legal guarding position. Specifically I'm interested in hearing thoughts and philosophy on how to referee this play as well as mechanically who has first crack.

This is a regular pre-game agenda item. Who takes the pass? And who takes the crash?
I'm not sure where I read the official textbook mechanic on this, but I think I've got it backwards. Usually what we come up with as a standard prior to any given game is for the L to stay with the dribbler/shooter and take the crash and the C to take the pass if it goes to his side, the T if it goes to his side.
Easy to state in theory. Difficult in practice. Maybe because it happens somewhat rarely.
Interested in others' insights on this one.

(Another snow day here )