Crash?

[TERRY1]

ASA - r1 on 3 r2 on 1 the old play of throw to ss on steal to batate r1 into stealing home. works r1 and ball arrive basical at same time maybe ball split secon before r1 make no attempt to avoid crashes with catcher (not malicious)ball dislodged. just a crash or interference r1 out?

[SamNVa]

If the crash was caused simply by the runner attempting to get to the base and was not a flagrant push, then you simply have a train wreck, and the play stands, runner safe.

SamC

[Casey]

Interesting situation! What age group? Who said the ball got there first - the ump? We don't have 'ties' in softball! Did the runner make any attempt to slide or avoid the catcher. Was the play at the plate or 6 feet down the 3rd base line? Did the throw pull the catcher into the path of the runner? Probably a HTBT play! There's
little time for the ump to make a decision - but BLUE is the only person who saw the entire play, let's hear BLUE's
story, too.

[TERRY1]

Casey,
It was 16u I was BU and watched the play. play was at plate and F2 was in good postion and like I said the ball did beat runner (just by an instant). No one complained about the end result of play (runner safe). But runner made no attempt to avoid ie: slide or go around. I belive it to be just a crash just wondering what the xperts thought.

[kono]

Originally posted by TERRY1
F2 was in good postion and like I said the ball did beat runner (just by an instant

Terry -

I'm not sure how the ASA rule reads, but I can tell you that LL requires not only the ball to be there, but the fielder waiting to make a tag before the slide/avoid rule comes into play.

As long as there was nothing malicious, it sounds like a good no-call.

-Kono

[greymule]

I've been through this so many times in ASA that I don't have to look at the book.

If the catcher had the ball or was "about to receive the ball" (i.e., the ball was between the fielder and the runner, not up the line somewhere), and the runner remained on her feet and crashed into the catcher, then the runner is out and interference is called. (In flagrant cases, the runner is ejected.) The fact that the ball arrived just slightly before the runner does not justify the crash. The fielder (in ASA) does not have to be attempting to apply a tag.

But it has to be a crash, not a bump or running through the tag or something else. And if the throw draws the fielder into the runner, it's just a wreck. If ball, fielder, and runner arrive at the same time, it's just a wreck. If the ball shoots by the fielder and then there's a crash, it's just a wreck.

The one change that ASA made a couple of years ago was that they took out the word "deliberately" when defining the crash.

[Edited by greymule on Jun 13th, 2002 at 01:47 PM]