Player on Floor Legal Guarding Position

[vbzebra]

ok, i'm confused, so I'll play devil's advocate for a minute...

A1 is dribbling up the floor and say for the sake of argument, B1 is lying totally still on the floor (or on all 4's, barking like a dog from way back in the day

With B1 lying perfectly still, A1 dribbles and trips over him/her and falls, this would still NOT be a foul on B1? I know LGP is two feet on the floor, torso facing opponent, but I also understand everyone being entitled to their spot on the floor...

I actually had a rebound situation last year happen to me...B1 falls on the floor, A1 gets rebound and turns to go upcourt, trips over B1, falls, I call block (now granted, B1 WAS moving around like a turtle that got flipped on its back, so B1 was NOT totally stationary, which made it easy).

I'm not trying to be a smart@$$, I'm just really trying to understand this. I know if there is even a LITTLE movement by floor-ridden B1, we've got a block. Just trying to grasp the other side of it. sorry

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

ok, i'm confused, so I'll play devil's advocate for a minute...

A1 is dribbling up the floor and say for the sake of argument, B1 is lying totally still on the floor (or on all 4's, barking like a dog from way back in the day

With B1 lying perfectly still, A1 dribbles and trips over him/her and falls, this would still NOT be a foul on B1? I know LGP is two feet on the floor, torso facing opponent, but I also understand everyone being entitled to their spot on the floor...

I actually had a rebound situation last year happen to me...B1 falls on the floor, A1 gets rebound and turns to go upcourt, trips over B1, falls, I call block (now granted, B1 WAS moving around like a turtle that got flipped on its back, so B1 was NOT totally stationary, which made it easy).

I'm not trying to be a smart@$$, I'm just really trying to understand this. I know if there is even a LITTLE movement by floor-ridden B1, we've got a block. Just trying to grasp the other side of it. sorry

If B1 is lying still, he can't be responsible for the foul in NFHS. He's entitled to that spot on the floor and the responsibility is on the dribbler (or any other player) to avoid contact.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

If B1 is lying still, he can't be responsible for the foul in NFHS. He's entitled to that spot on the floor and the responsibility is on the dribbler (or any other player) to avoid contact.

He doesn't even have to be still. B1 falls to the floor. He rolls away from A1 as he attempts to get up. A1 runs over him. This is not a foul on B1.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He doesn't even have to be still. B1 falls to the floor. He rolls away from A1 as he attempts to get up. A1 runs over him. This is not a foul on B1.

Depends. B1 is now a moving player without LGP, so depending on how contact happens, it may or may not be a foul on B1.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Depends. B1 is now a moving player without LGP, so depending on how contact happens, it may or may not be a foul on B1.

If A1 and B1 are in the same path, jar is right. If, however, A1 is airborne and B1 rolls into his path/landing spot....

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If A1 and B1 are in the same path, jar is right. If, however, A1 is airborne and B1 rolls into his path/landing spot....

Agreed, plus a number of other scenarios depending on the specific direction of the movement and actions of both players.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Depends. B1 is now a moving player without LGP, so depending on how contact happens, it may or may not be a foul on B1.

Note the italicized word. If B1 is moving away from A1, no foul on B1.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Note the italicized word. If B1 is moving away from A1, no foul on B1.

Sure, though an airborne player could provide a different outcome even if the direction was away.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Sure, though an airborne player could provide a different outcome even if the direction was away.

How?

[biggravy]

Twist. B1 falls to the floor directly behind A1 not giving him a step. A1 steps back and falls over B1. Illegal screen?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Twist. B1 falls to the floor directly behind A1 not giving him a step. A1 steps back and falls over B1. Illegal screen?

Yes

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Twist. B1 falls to the floor directly behind A1 not giving him a step. A1 steps back and falls over B1. Illegal screen?

Note sure I'd call it a screen when it is B1...but a block for sure. Screening is typically an action performed by team A.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Note sure I'd call it a screen when it is B1...but a block for sure. Screening is typically an action performed by team A.

Typically, but not definitively.