22 years, 1 blarge

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can only imagine it applying in your #2, and no, I can't imagine that they wrote a case play specifically for that purpose. But it is equally difficult for me to imagine that a case play was written to specify that one team should be penalized if the officials improperly use preliminary foul signals, and that this is true even though the case play in question does not actually mention preliminary foul signals.

Manual not readily available, but aren't PC and Blocks supposed to get a preliminary on the spot of the foul? And wouldn't that indicate a specific foul has been called? And how are you assuming "improper" use of preliminaries if the play were to happen in a dual coverage area, but the officials just had differing opinions?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Manual not readily available, but aren't PC and Blocks supposed to get a preliminary on the spot of the foul? And wouldn't that indicate a specific foul has been called? And how are you assuming "improper" use of preliminaries if the play were to happen in a dual coverage area, but the officials just had differing opinions?

I don't know what is in the manual, but is it not generally agreed that on a double whistle officials should withhold the preliminary signal for this very reason?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't know what is in the manual, but is it not generally agreed that on a double whistle officials should withhold the preliminary signal for this very reason?

Yes, but once the preliminaries are used, the fouls have been "called".

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes, but once the preliminaries are used, the fouls have been "called".

Is that in the manual?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes, but once the preliminaries are used, the fouls have been "called".

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is that in the manual?

I'll go along with you and say it is not. So, now back to my question, when would the case play apply?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll go along with you and say it is not. So, now back to my question, when would the case play apply?

In my world, it wouldn't. I cannot envision a situation where it would.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In my world, it wouldn't. I cannot envision a situation where it would.

And there's the rub. In the world of the FED and NCAA-M there are situations that this rule applies otherwise it wouldn't be in both of their rule books. Nor would NCAA-W have specific wording to preclude such a call.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In my world, it wouldn't. I cannot envision a situation where it would.

If the L calls a PC and the C calls a block and they both give preliminary signals, what are you going to do if you are one of the officials? How are you going to resolve this?