PC or did the push cause it?

[Loudwhistle]

4) Especially being the only whistle I don't think you need to run down from out in space - your partners are both on top of the play - release them to watch the players if you're going to take this call.

Not sure it I'm interpreting your comment correctly, but I think Clark did the right thing by running closer to the actual foul(s) sight. This strategy of getting closer to a "long call" gives a perception that you were close to the play. I have PC and could also be talked into a foul by W11 but the angle is bad for me.

[deecee]

This looks like a casebook PC.

The offensive player was driving all the way to the basket. The contact by the primary defender is negligible as the offensive player did not make an attempt to pull up and shoot the ball. If you take away the primary defender and just look at it from the offensive player and the secondary defender you will have the same contact.

Unless the primary defender offers a shove in the back before the collision thats good defense and an offensive player forcing the action. No way I would personally have a block or a no call. PC all the way.

Cases can be made either way in a lot of calls however I truly believe that 99% of the calls are either "right" or "wrong". Here I think a block, push or no call is the incorrect way to go based on my reasoning above.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Cases can be made either way in a lot of calls however I truly believe that 99% of the calls are either "right" or "wrong". Here I think a block or no call is the incorrect way to go based on my reasoning above.

I don't think anyone here would advocate a blocking call... or even a no call here.

The question is push or pc.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

I don't think anyone here would advocate a blocking call... or even a no call here.

The question is push or pc.

I don't know are you sure the defender had his feet planted?


KIDDING!!!

[Rich]

I know where the drive started, but the person with the perfect angle on the push/no push *and* the PC foul is the C. The C could easily get this. Gotta say, unless this is a real push that displaces (and not merely a little bump from behind) it's a PC foul (at least in my mind).

In a lot of my 3-person pregames this season, we've talked about who is going to step up on a foul in the lower half of the lane where the drive is right down the lane (like this). Most of us feel the L/C has a much better look than the T, who seems a long way away from this play. Of course the response of the official depends on whether they focus on men's or women's mechanics (if they work college ball, too). I really don't work either, and I think the L has a better chance to referee a secondary defender or even a defender that comes up from the baseline. OMMV (and does).

I wonder if the C pulled back because of how strong you came in here. To me, the message on an official coming in *this* strong can be "I've got something important to add here", right or wrong.

Good video. If possible, could you leave a few more seconds on either end of these calls (maybe 5 before and 5 after)?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Good video. If possible, could you leave a few more seconds on either end of these calls (maybe 5 before and 5 after)?

How about some transistions and zoom ins (like NBCEE it). Also some color commentary would be great. Clark, you have set the bar high, but it can go higher. Climb man, climb.

Oh yeah freeze frames could be useful too.

[Anchor]

We're making it too hard. It really doesn't matter what caused what. There is a foul from behind (that he landed on him is a dead giveaway) and there is a player control charge. Foul from behind ball is still live; PC ball becomes dead immediately. False double. Shoot 2 shots with an empty lane and give it to the defense for a throw-in.

The rules don't give us the leeway for what caused what. Live ball-dead ball is pretty much what we have to work with. That the player crashed the defender with a live ball is of little doubt. When the foul from behind happened (my POV is that it happened prior to the crash) is the only thing debatable. Just because he was fouled doesn't give him a free lick at the defender. OTOH, if the PC occurred first, the rear defender got lucky with a free crash.

False double. But you guys will be the only 3 in the gym that have a clue about what's going on.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

How about some transistions and zoom ins (like NBCEE it). Also some color commentary would be great. Clark, you have set the bar high, but it can go higher. Climb man, climb.

Oh yeah freeze frames could be useful too.

My point is that leaving a few more seconds lets the play develop more and makes it easier for viewing. But I like seeing the videos regardless.