Called 2 Shots - Should Have Been 1-and-1

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

Not looking at a rule here, but just thinking.....This is not a correctable error, and while giving bad information makes the officials "look" bad, shouldn't the basket count? How do you wave it off, according to the rules (and not just wanting to correct "my bad")? I don't have heart burn with the OP, but it doesn't seem to mesh with the rules....

Case Book 8.6.1 is this exact situation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Case Book 8.6.1 is this exact situation.

No it's not, because in the case play the officials blow the play dead before the rebounder does anything with the ball.

The only precedent for canceling a score made due to a missed call is a throw-in violation following a score.

This needs to be blown dead immediately to avoid this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No it's not, because in the case play the officials blow the play dead before the rebounder does anything with the ball.

The only precedent for canceling a score made due to a missed call is a throw-in violation following a score.

This needs to be blown dead immediately to avoid this.

Haven't we debated this very thing before?

Another one of them Nevada things, maybe?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Haven't we debated this very thing before?

Another one of them Nevada things, maybe?

Yes.
I'm not so sure he was alone on this one. He had a point, IMO.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yes.
I'm not so sure he was alone on this one. He had a point, IMO.

My recollection is that he said the basket would count if it is before the whistle, and pretty much everybody else said "Horsefeathers!" or something similar.

I'm with pretty much everybody else.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

My recollection is that he said the basket would count if it is before the whistle, and pretty much everybody else said "Horsefeathers!" or something similar.

I'm with pretty much everybody else.

The question is whether the ball became dead. If the officials declares "two shots," then the ball is dead when the try is over, so the basket wouldn't count. The only exception is if the official is wrong and all the players go for the rebound.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The question is whether the ball became dead. If the officials declares "two shots," then the ball is dead when the try is over, so the basket wouldn't count. The only exception is if the official is wrong and all the players go for the rebound.

I like this reasoning.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No it's not, because in the case play the officials blow the play dead before the rebounder does anything with the ball.

I agree it's not the exact case due to the reason you have stated.

But what is the difference between a late whistle and this scenario. I know one difference is a violation versus a mistake by the officials. But 8.6.1 gives us a definite time when we are to blow the play dead (when one team is at an obvious disadvantage due to our misinforming players.) If we fail to whistle before a quick put back, I think it is well within the rules to whistle late and follow the case book play 8.6.1.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

I agree it's not the exact case due to the reason you have stated.

But what is the difference between a late whistle and this scenario. I know one difference is a violation versus a mistake by the officials. But 8.6.1 gives us a definite time when we are to blow the play dead (when one team is at an obvious disadvantage due to our misinforming players.) If we fail to whistle before a quick put back, I think it is well within the rules to whistle late and follow the case book play 8.6.1.

The things that cause the ball to become dead do not apply to this situation. A violation, foul (with some exceptions), or official's whistle. If you determine the ball is live when the rebounder shoots it, and the shot is released before you kill it, then by rule, you have a live ball going through the basket. CE rules specifically state all points scored will stand, with exceptions that also don't apply.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The things that cause the ball to become dead do not apply to this situation. A violation, foul (with some exceptions), or official's whistle. If you determine the ball is live when the rebounder shoots it, and the shot is released before you kill it, then by rule, you have a live ball going through the basket. CE rules specifically state all points scored will stand, with exceptions that also don't apply.

The points in this thread are a lot like the points being made in the "timeout - IW" thread. I am reading them both with interest.

I agree with all the reasons that the ball is not dead. But I also know what I am going to call in this sitch. Therefore, I will use your reasoning; the ball is dead when the try ends, unless the exception applies.

Now all I have to do is get the time lag on the "timeout-IW" wrapped up. But thats the other thread.