Houston We Have A Problem!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

For example: last night before Girls' JV, the Home coach, said he wanted the scorebook right next to the home bench, tried arguing the point with him but like talking to a brick wall. I never thought of bringing the officials in to get the table setup with the books side-by-side. If that happens at one of the final 2 games, I'll do that instead of letting it slide.

It was for reasons like this that I did the thread on how the table should be set up. As before this year, when I was doing the Sub-V games, the books would always be right next to their benches.

It's also been cause of the books being next to their benches (& lack of proper training) that when I'm Scoreboard Operator/Timer, that I've been doing the AP instead of the scorer.

Is there something that I can do, to ensure the books are sitting side-by-side, without getting the officials involved? Can I actually quote rules/regulations to the coach(es)?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Is there something that I can do, to ensure the books are sitting side-by-side, without getting the officials involved? Can I actually quote rules/regulations to the coach(es)?

If you want to fight this battle, it's up to you. Don't be surprised, though, if you get shot down and/or replaced. It's not worth it.

Also, the rule says the scorer is "responsible" for the possession arrow. It doesn't say he has to be the one who physically controls it. IMO, he's "responsible" for it just as the HC is "responsible" for the conduct of his bench personnel.

My advice: relax.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you want to fight this battle, it's up to you. Don't be surprised, though, if you get shot down and/or replaced. It's not worth it.

Also, the rule says the scorer is "responsible" for the possession arrow. It doesn't say he has to be the one who physically controls it. IMO, he's "responsible" for it just as the HC is "responsible" for the conduct of his bench personnel.

My advice: relax.

True, they are supposed to keep track of the AP via the scorebook, however in my case, that isn't even happening.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, for the V games, the scorer does actually physically control it.

Though, isn't there a bit of an argument there about who is to be physically in control of the AP? In "Instructions to & Duties of the scorer for basketball games" states under equipment:

"Scorebook, pencils, possession arrow & signaling device with sound different from that of the timer. The scorebook must be available for inspection at the table from 10 minutes prior to game time until the referee has approved the final score."

Under During the course of the game, it states:

"1. The nonofficial scorers should check each entry with the official scorebook.
2. The scorers should:
a. Announce to each other & record the total running score.
b. Announce the name & number of the player who scores.
c. Verify the scoreboard score.
d. Compare the summary of individual scores with the total running score at the end of each half.
e. Exchange the name & number of the player committing a foul & indicate the total fouls charged to the player.
f. Be responsible for the alternating-possession arrow.
g. Record warnings reported by an official.
3. In case of controversy, the record of the official scorebook is
accepted unless the referee has knowledge which permits him or her to rule otherwise."

[Adam]

As I said, "responsible" doesn't necessarily mean physically moving it. While it may or may not be a best practice, depending on your set-up, it's not required. Around here, the arrow is often located directly in front of the clock console; meaning the timer has it like it or not.

Aside from all that, there's no prescribed penalty for failing to adhere to all of this. You certainly couldn't penalize the coach for making his wishes known, even if they're followed.

It's nothing, live with it and move on.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As I said, "responsible" doesn't necessarily mean physically moving it. While it may or may not be a best practice, depending on your set-up, it's not required. Around here, the arrow is often located directly in front of the clock console; meaning the timer has it like it or not.

Aside from all that, there's no prescribed penalty for failing to adhere to all of this. You certainly couldn't penalize the coach for making his wishes known, even if they're followed.

It's nothing, live with it and move on.

I am not complaining about doing the AP.

I was just trying make sense of what one document says compared to another document.

uh-oh now I've gone cross-eyed & confused myself

[Adam]

They said the same thing, "scorer is responsible." It just doesn't mean what you think it does.