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Old Mon Jan 25, 2010, 09:51am
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DOG Technical Foul??

A JV boys game. Early in the game team A was given a delay of game warning for reaching over endline and contacting the ball in the throwers hand. Late in the game after a timeout team A was given first horn warning and then second horn lets go. With team A still in huddle the official whacks team A with a T for delay of game. I thought the correct way to handle this was to make the ball available for the throw in and start counting or let team B go with it. Please advise how you would handle this.
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Old Mon Jan 25, 2010, 09:59am
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A JV boys game. Early in the game team A was given a delay of game warning for reaching over endline and contacting the ball in the throwers hand.
This should also have been a T.

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Late in the game after a timeout team A was given first horn warning and then second horn lets go. With team A still in huddle the official whacks team A with a T for delay of game. I thought the correct way to handle this was to make the ball available for the throw in and start counting or let team B go with it. Please advise how you would handle this.
This is not a "warning" situation listed in 4-47
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Old Mon Jan 25, 2010, 10:01am
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A JV boys game. Early in the game team A was given a delay of game warning for reaching over endline and contacting the ball in the throwers hand. Late in the game after a timeout team A was given first horn warning and then second horn lets go. With team A still in huddle the official whacks team A with a T for delay of game. I thought the correct way to handle this was to make the ball available for the throw in and start counting or let team B go with it. Please advise how you would handle this.

First off - Contacting the ball as described is a Technical foul not a delay. Simply breaking the plane by the defender is a delay of game.
Secondly - I would do as you stated and set the ball on the floor and start my count.

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Old Mon Jan 25, 2010, 10:09am
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Secondly - I would do as you stated and set the ball on the floor and start my count.
AKA...ROP (Resumption of play)
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Old Mon Jan 25, 2010, 10:16am
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This should also have been a T.



This is not a "warning" situation listed in 4-47
Bob, then you agree that resumption of play procedure should have been used?
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Old Mon Jan 25, 2010, 10:32am
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First T counts as First DOG?

This should also have been a T.

Bob,
This T also counts as the first delay of game as well? In other words, later in the game a player reaches through the plane on a throw in contacting nothing this would result in a T.
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This should also have been a T.

Bob,
This T also counts as the first delay of game as well? In other words, later in the game a player reaches through the plane on a throw in contacting nothing this would result in a T.
You are correct. Call the T, have the scorer record the DOG in the book. Then tell the coach, "Yes, coach, normally you'd be right. It would have just been a warning if your player hadn't actually slapped the ball."
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If you were the partner of the calling Official would you just discuss this at half or after game or step in and make correction? I did not know the ball was actually contacted when he gave the DOG warning but I wanted to step in on the technical foul for not coming out of the huddle, but being a newer Official I did nothing.
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If you were the partner of the calling Official would you just discuss this at half or after game or step in and make correction? I did not know the ball was actually contacted when he gave the DOG warning but I wanted to step in on the technical foul for not coming out of the huddle, but being a newer Official I did nothing.

If it's a rules issue and a break in the action, we should always try to get it right rather than bringing it back to the locker room.

If you're younger / newer /not sure, you could use a phrase like, "Are you sure..." or "I thought ..." or even "what do you have?" -- sometime when the person is asked to explain it, they realize the error.
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If you were the partner of the calling Official would you just discuss this at half or after game or step in and make correction? I did not know the ball was actually contacted when he gave the DOG warning but I wanted to step in on the technical foul for not coming out of the huddle, but being a newer Official I did nothing.
I'm not sure I'd step in here, but I anticipate the word of those with more experience than I.
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Newbies - carve this into your forehead (backwards, so you can read it in a mirror). When you give out a technical for a defensive player reaching across the line and contacting the ball before it is released toward the court, it's also a DOG warning. If it's the first of the game against that team and they get another one for just reaching across the line (or any other DOG warning) then that's the second one and it's a team technical.

Be sure to make the letters small enough so they all fit.
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Newbies - carve this into your forehead (backwards, so you can read it in a mirror). When you give out a technical for a defensive player reaching across the line and contacting the ball before it is released toward the court, it's also a DOG warning. If it's the first of the game against that team and they get another one for just reaching across the line (or any other DOG warning) then that's the second one and it's a team technical.

Be sure to make the letters small enough so they all fit.
If instead of hitting the ball the defender reached across the line and hit the arm would the intentional foul call that resulted also be a DOG warning?
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If instead of hitting the ball the defender reached across the line and hit the arm would the intentional foul call that resulted also be a DOG warning?
Yep.
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I think for a DOG warning, the correct answer would be "yip".
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The defender may not break the imaginary plane during a throwin until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass. If the defender breaks the imaginary plane during a throwin before the ball has been released on a throw-in pass, the defender’s team will receive a team warning, or if the team has already been warned for one of the four delay situations, this action would result in a team technical foul. If the defender contacts the ball after breaking the imaginary plane, it is a player technical foul and a team warning will be recorded. If the defender fouls the inbounding player after breaking the imaginary plane, it is an intentional personal foul, and a team warning will be recorded.
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