Should there have been a whistle?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I'm going to disagree with the other posts - sort of. This is a PC foul, imo, but it is the C's call first, and the L's second...

It is a "curl" play into the middle of the key, so the C is going to have the best angle on it. I believe that if the play curls away from one official, that official should lay-off the call and let the official the play is curling toward take it. If the C doesn't get it, then the L needs to...

Yup, I can see the player curling into the center. Know what I can't see though? Any of the 3 officials moving to get a better look at the play. Everybody's standing still.

Sometimes all it takes is one little step to get yourself into position to see a play.

Watch Burr sometime. From the lead, he'll step onto the court if he's got room to get a better look at a play in the paint.

[Clark Kent]

Thanks fellas for the input. The last thing i wanted was to pawn the call off on one of my Partners, but I did want to know if I missed the call (by going no call on it) and I think you've made it clear I did. I also appreciate the insight on what I could've done to get a better look and that will be my goal for the next game I work.

Thanks

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Thanks fellas for the input. The last thing i wanted was to pawn the call off on one of my Partners, but I did want to know if I missed the call (by going no call on it) and I think you've made it clear I did. I also appreciate the insight on what I could've done to get a better look and that will be my goal for the next game I work.

Thanks

I really appreciate you putting these plays out for critique. I can tell you appreciate the feedback, but I appreciate getting to look at the play and see how everyone else's thoughts compare to mine. Great stuff!

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I really appreciate you putting these plays out for critique. I can tell you appreciate the feedback, but I appreciate getting to look at the play and see how everyone else's thoughts compare to mine. Great stuff!

Well good. I like to hear that. I think it is great that I can get honest feedback from guys who don't know anything about me. It seems to be a more pure and unaltered opinion, and I like it. I am also happy to hear that you learn something from my gaffes and blunders as well.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I really appreciate you putting these plays out for critique. I can tell you appreciate the feedback, but I appreciate getting to look at the play and see how everyone else's thoughts compare to mine. Great stuff!

Agree,
These plays are kind of like a mini-camp, I first look at these and in my mind decide what I would call. I appreciate all the deep insight, even differing views are helpful to "see" where people are looking.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, I can see the player curling into the center. Know what I can't see though? Any of the 3 officials moving to get a better look at the play. Everybody's standing still.

Sometimes all it takes is one little step to get yourself into position to see a play.

Watch Burr sometime. From the lead, he'll step onto the court if he's got room to get a better look at a play in the paint.

Agreed. I was not trying to comment on the actual officials in this play, just a general point on curl plays. The C should definitely have moved to get an angle as soon as he saw the post curl into the key. The L could have moved out a step or two for a better angle also.

Bottom line, if there is a missed call in one of my games, "we" missed it - even if it was in one of my parner's PCA's.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Watch Burr sometime. From the lead, he'll step onto the court if he's got room to get a better look at a play in the paint.

Tell me you're kidding and not actually condoning this as a useful movement or part of the mechanics are you?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CLH

Tell me you're kidding and not actually condoning this as a useful movement or part of the mechanics are you?

Yes it's a useful movement to see rebounding contact underneath sometimes. And yes, Burr ain't the only one to use it.

And no, I'm not kidding. You do what you have to do sometimes when you've got a lot of big bodies banging underneath.

[CLH]

With all due respect, if the L is going to come off the baseline onto the court to take a look what good is the C? If this was a good idea, it would be in the mechanics manual, it's not found in any of them and it would be used more often than just by a select set of agin officials who are set in their ways and can do as they please. This is never a good idea for anyone, especially for the "less athletic" members of our profession.

Apparently we are going to have to agree to disagree on this because that "mechanic" is ridiculous.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by CLH

With all due respect, if the L is going to come off the baseline onto the court to take a look what good is the C? If this was a good idea, it would be in the mechanics manual, it's not found in any of them and it would be used more often than just by a select set of agin officials who are set in their ways and can do as they please. This is never a good idea for anyone, especially for the "less athletic" members of our profession.

Apparently we are going to have to agree to disagree on this because that "mechanic" is ridiculous.

You don't think an L that is just above the endline on one side has a completely different view than a C that is at the FT line extended on the other?

I don't know that I've used this positioning more than once or twice in my career, but I never say never, and the argument that "what's the C for?" is misguided. I'm a fan of going where you need to go to see the play. Normally that's where the proper mechanics suggest. Every once in a while you have to improvise.