Anyone ever called this?

[jkumpire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not true. See 6-7 Excp d.



"Swinging the elbows and leaving the court."



I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. If you're asking what the rule *IS*, then you're wrong. If you're asking what the rule *SHOULD BE*, then I would tend to agree with you.

Bob,

I stand by my statement even knowing the exception you and the other kind responder quoted.

Have you ever seen or heard of a defensive player being called for a violation of swinging their elbows instead of a foul? Would you call that violation in a game?

I'm sorry, I need to have someone on the Rules Committee or a state interpreter tell me that if the defense goes out of bounds that NFHS wants the goal counted and the violation enforced. That level of punishment is not given to the offense for the same violation, when the advantage gained by the offensive player is much greater than the defense.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

I'm sorry, I need to have someone on the Rules Committee or a state interpreter tell me that if the defense goes out of bounds that NFHS wants the goal counted and the violation enforced.

I have to ask, why isn't the case play enough?

BTW, you're really asking two separate questions, it seems.
1. Has anyone called it? I haven't called it, but I would if I saw it. Rebounders don't swing their elbows, as a rule, until they get the ball. And defenders don't step out of bounds. I've never actually seen it.

2. Is it really what the Fed wants?

[lloybra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I have to ask, why isn't the case play enough?

BTW, you're really asking two separate questions, it seems.
1. Has anyone called it? I haven't called it, but I would if I saw it. Rebounders don't swing their elbows, as a rule, until they get the ball. And defenders don't step out of bounds. I've never actually seen it.

2. Is it really what the Fed wants?

1. Yes, I've called it, and it has nothing to do with having the ball or not. See RULE 9-13-1: "A player shall not excessively swing his/her arm(s) or elbow(s), even without contacting an opponent." It says nothing about where the ball is.

2. It is what NFHS wants; that is why they put it in the rule book. If you wait to call a foul when contact is made, injury is a likely consequence. Also see RULE 4-24-8 where in reference to this rule NFHS states "...an official will promptly and unhesitatingly call such action with arms and elbows a violation."

[Adam]

FWIW, I agree with you; waiting on jkumpire's response.

[Johnny Ringo]

Back to the OP. A player runs baseline as part of the offense and steps OOB ... how many of you call this a violation on the offense?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Back to the OP. A player runs baseline as part of the offense and steps OOB ... how many of you call this a violation on the offense?

Just steps once on the line? I pass...and likely don't even see it.

Runs completely OOB? I've called it.

[zm1283]

I called a violation in a BV game last night on the offense for leaving the court for an unauthorized reason. Two of team A's players went OOB on the endline when I was Lead. I think one of them ran into someone and he barely went out, but his teammate went around both of them and almost ran me over, and I was standing a good 3-4 feet off of the endline.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

I'm sorry, I need to have someone on the Rules Committee or a state interpreter tell me that if the defense goes out of bounds that NFHS wants the goal counted and the violation enforced.

The Rules Committee did tell you. And you cited it in your original post--->casebook play 9.3.3SitC.

It doesn't matter whether you like or agree with any rule. All you're expected to do is call it.

WOBW.