Anyone ever called this?

[APG]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

The ruling is it's a violation on B. A gets the ball at the POI, unless the shot goes in, then it's ignored.

Actually, the ruling says that Team A gets the ball out of bounds nearest the spot of the violation and not the point of interruption. And as others have said, even with a made basket, Team A will get the ball back and the violation is NOT ignored.

9.3.3 Situation C:

A1 and A2 set a double screen near the end line. B3 intentionally goes out of bounds outside the end line to avoid being detained by A1 and A2. Just as B3 goes out of bounds, A3's try is in flight.

Ruling: B3 is called for a leaving-the-floor violation. Team A will receive the ball out of bounds at a spot nearest to where the violation occurred. Since the violation is on the defense, the ball does not become dead until the try has ended. If the try is successful, it will count. (6-7-9 Exception d)

[jkumpire]

When you are a majority of one in a case like this, you probably have to change your opinion. But I still believe this is a mistake by the rules committee.

[Adam]

Now that's a debate to be had, I think.

Frankly, I like the idea of hitting the defense that hard if they're swinging elbows during a rebound. And if a knucklehead steps OOB to try to draw the violation and stop a fast break, calling it per the rules will stop him from doing it again.

Frankly, I think the defensive violations that would lead to this are both such that they warrant the penalty prescribed in the rules.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

When you are a majority of one in a case like this, you probably have to change your opinion. But I still believe this is a mistake by the rules committee.

Make it two. I'd equate it to a delayed lane violation on the defense, free throw shooter making the free throw, and then getting another one due to the violation.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Make it two. I'd equate it to a delayed lane violation on the defense, free throw shooter making the free throw, and then getting another one due to the violation.

I don't believe that's correct. If the FT is made, the violation is disregarded - 9-1 PENALTIES 2a.

[Jesse James]

That's what I'm saying-similar violations resulting in a scored hoop.

One situation ignores the violation.

The other penalizes it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Make it two. I'd equate it to a delayed lane violation on the defense, free throw shooter making the free throw, and then getting another one due to the violation.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't believe that's correct. If the FT is made, the violation is disregarded - 9-1 PENALTIES 2a.

M&M, I think he's stating how the two are different and what would happen if they were made the same. I'm not sure, though.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

That's what I'm saying-similar violations resulting in a scored hoop.

One situation ignores the violation.

The other penalizes it.

Free throw violations are simply different than standard violations, by rule. As I said previously, I have no problem penalizing the elbow violation by rule in this case. It's a safety issue and should be dealt with.

As far as the leaving the court, no problem with that either. For me to call it, it needs to be deliberate, obvious, and completely out of bounds. Call it and it'll only happen once.

That said, there are situations where I'd ignore it.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

That's what I'm saying-similar violations resulting in a scored hoop.

One situation ignores the violation.

The other penalizes it.

Gotcha. I thought you might have been saying the shooter gets another shot due to the violation, even on a made FT.

Never mind.

[Loudwhistle]

I've only called this once: middle school tournament, warned a HS varsity player after he stepped out to stay on the court.

[Jesse James]

From a safety standpoint, I'm OK with the swinging elbows violation by the defense still allowing the score, and the offense gains another possession although I think I've got a chance to see my first multiple foul before I ever see that scenario.

I'm w/JK on the leaving the floor penalty. Bad rule.