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Anyone ever called this?
RE: Casebook 9.3.3c
A2, A3 set double screen for A1 to go for a 3ball. B1 steps out of bounds to go around the double screen, and they get back in as A1 shoots it. The ruling is it's a violation on B. A gets the ball at the POI, unless the shot goes in, then it's ignored. Has anyone ever called this violation in a game on any level? Thanks! (Note: also posted on NFHS FORUM) |
Nope.
I've called a violation on a player for being out of bounds exactly twice. Once running down the court out of bounds on the sideline and another running a good deal of the endline out of bounds. That is all. It's been a rare one for me.
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A1 had the ball near the sideline in his FC, trapped by two defenders and the sideline, but had not used his dribble yet. He takes the ball and bounces it towards his endline, behind the defender, then runs OOB quickly to get around the defender before stepping in bounds to retrieve the ball. It stunned me for a second as I tried to determine whether he got IB before touching the ball; then I realized it didn't matter. |
Josh, read the play
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I can understand why you think this is to be enforced; But this is one of the, if not the only, violation by the defense where the ball does not become dead immediately. It has such status for a reason. Is this violation by the defense so bad that your penalize the defense by allowing the goal, and giving the offense the ball again? Is it really on the level of an intentional or technical foul? |
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jk, there are other violations where the call is delayed and or enforced along with the basket. If a defensive player is swinging his elbows during a try that is successful, you penalize by counting the basket and giving the ball to A at the spot nearest the violation.
If, on a fast break for A, B1 steps out of bounds to try to draw the violation; you hold your whistle and wait for the shot attempt before killing the play. You then call the violation, count the basket, and give A the ball at the spot where B1 stepped OOB. |
Bob
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Bob, I stand by my statement even knowing the exception you and the other kind responder quoted. Have you ever seen or heard of a defensive player being called for a violation of swinging their elbows instead of a foul? Would you call that violation in a game? I'm sorry, I need to have someone on the Rules Committee or a state interpreter tell me that if the defense goes out of bounds that NFHS wants the goal counted and the violation enforced. That level of punishment is not given to the offense for the same violation, when the advantage gained by the offensive player is much greater than the defense. |
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BTW, you're really asking two separate questions, it seems. 1. Has anyone called it? I haven't called it, but I would if I saw it. Rebounders don't swing their elbows, as a rule, until they get the ball. And defenders don't step out of bounds. I've never actually seen it. 2. Is it really what the Fed wants? |
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It doesn't matter whether you like or agree with any rule. All you're expected to do is call it. WOBW. |
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2. It is what NFHS wants; that is why they put it in the rule book. If you wait to call a foul when contact is made, injury is a likely consequence. Also see RULE 4-24-8 where in reference to this rule NFHS states "...an official will promptly and unhesitatingly call such action with arms and elbows a violation." |
FWIW, I agree with you; waiting on jkumpire's response.
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Back to the OP. A player runs baseline as part of the offense and steps OOB ... how many of you call this a violation on the offense?
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I called a violation in a BV game last night on the offense for leaving the court for an unauthorized reason. Two of team A's players went OOB on the endline when I was Lead. I think one of them ran into someone and he barely went out, but his teammate went around both of them and almost ran me over, and I was standing a good 3-4 feet off of the endline.
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Runs completely OOB? I've called it. |
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