Question re: Jurisdiction

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is not a fair criticism because the NFHS rules are written to cover just single games, not multiple games in succession.

I'm fairly sure the Fed knows that on most nights two games are being played in the same gym back-to-back (JV/V, Fresh/Soph, etc.).


Side bar:
So if a coach places one foot outside the coaching box, you going to call a technical foul, correct?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

i'm fairly sure the fed knows that on most nights two games are being played in the same gym back-to-back (jv/v, fresh/soph, etc.).


Side bar:
So if a coach places one foot outside the coaching box, you going to call a technical foul, correct?

+1

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Side bar:
So if a coach places one foot outside the coaching box, you going to call a technical foul, correct?

This is apples v oranges.

What is the difference when a player removes jersey in OP and a player/coach acting unsporting after the final horn?

You haven't left the visual confines in either situation. How will you handle it?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by truerookie

What is the difference when a player removes jersey in OP and a player/coach acting unsporting after the final horn?

Acting unsporting is one thing.

Removing the jersey is another.

A player removing his jersey can conceivably be done in an unsporting manner, but can also be conceivably done to let the player's little brother wear it.

Yet in Nevada each should be punished with a technical foul.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I'm fairly sure the Fed knows that on most nights two games are being played in the same gym back-to-back (JV/V, Fresh/Soph, etc.).

Yep, but the assumption is either that different officials are coming out for the next contest or that the crew will leave the visual confines of the playing area following the first game and then return for the second.

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is exactly why it is a fair criticism, because I can count on the fingers of one hand how many times I have called a single game, rather than multiple games, which are most often in succession.

And if you exited and then returned as noted above this wouldn't be an issue. The NFHS assumption is that the official actually do leave the gym when the game finishes. If they don't, then they aren't following the proper protocol and are causing the difficulty, not the NFHS rule.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yet in Nevada any location abiding by NFHS rules both should be punished with a technical foul.

Fixed it for ya.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Acting unsporting is one thing.

Removing the jersey is another.

A player removing his jersey can conceivably be done in an unsporting manner, but can also be conceivably done to let the player's little brother wear it.

Yet in Nevada each should be punished with a technical foul.

Sho, you right. I understood where the OP and everyone else is coming from on both sides of the fence. The point I was attempting to make is. We know by rule this should be punished. Yet, we want to pick and choose what rules and when we want to inforced them.

I know don't be a plumber either. Once again I get it. Personally, would I call this. I can't honestly say. I know when the final horn sounds and I'm not the Referee I am high tailing out of there especially a game that close.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Sho, you right. I understood where the OP and everyone else is coming from on both sides of the fence. The point I was attempting to make is. We know by rule this should be punished. Yet, we want to pick and choose what rules and when we want to inforced them.

I know don't be a plumber either. Once again I get it. Personally, would I call this. I can't honestly say. I know when the final horn sounds and I'm not the Referee I am high tailing out of there especially a game that close.

What do you do differently if you're the R?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What do you do differently if you're the R?

Make eye contact with the official scorer and confirm that everything is okay with the book before leaving. You know that little responsibility that the R has at the end of each half of play to verify the score.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Make eye contact with the official scorer and confirm that everything is okay with the book before leaving. You know that little responsibility that the R has at the end of each half of play to verify the score.

Why do you have to make eye contact with the scorer? Isn't the score approved when you run off the court?

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Make eye contact with the official scorer and confirm that everything is okay with the book before leaving. You know that little responsibility that the R has at the end of each half of play to verify the score.

1. That doesn't take long enough to slow me down.
2. When you're the U, do you bail on your R?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Make eye contact with the official scorer and confirm that everything is okay with the book before leaving. You know that little responsibility that the R has at the end of each half of play to verify the score.

Most games there's a timeout near the end of the game where I can verify the score, etc. Then on the way off, I can (while moving) just look towards the table with a thumb up and get a quick signal. It doesn't slow me down a bit.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What do you do differently if you're the R?

I give the table a glance to see if their are any issues and hoping nothing is in my line of sight.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Side bar:
So if a coach places one foot outside the coaching box, you going to call a technical foul, correct?

Of course, because that's the way the rule is written and that's the way it should be called, by golly.

It's also a T for every assistant coach who ever stands up and yells out a play or a defense and then sits back down.

See, there are no shades in basketball officiating...no judgment is ever involved. It's all black and white and written right there for all to see. To not follow every single letter of the rules is to be less of an official...

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Of course, because that's the way the rule is written and that's the way it should be called, by golly.

It's also a T for every assistant coach who ever stands up and yells out a play or a defense and then sits back down.

See, there are no shades in basketball officiating...no judgment is ever involved. It's all black and white and written right there for all to see. To not follow every single letter of the rules is to be less of an official...

You must have attended Nevada's camp last summer...

Nevada Camp: Black and White With Stripes All Over - Summer 2010 Registrations now being accepted

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Of course, because that's the way the rule is written and that's the way it should be called, by golly.

It's also a T for every assistant coach who ever stands up and yells out a play or a defense and then sits back down.

See, there are no shades in basketball officiating...no judgment is ever involved. It's all black and white and written right there for all to see. To not follow every single letter of the rules is to be less of an official...

Originally Posted by fiasco

You must have attended Nevada's camp last summer...

Nevada Camp: Black and White With Stripes All Over - Summer 2010 Registrations now being accepted

I just could not stop laughing after these two posts.

Peace