Question re: Jurisdiction

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The horn sounds to end the game with team A beating team B 77-76. As you start to run off the floor, you see A22 remove his shirt.

He did what???

Man, how did we miss that?

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

He did what???

Man, how did we miss that?

... really, we thought those were cheerleaders' sweaters hanging from the rim on our way out!

[Adam]

I think I'm too cowardly to make that call.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think I'm too cowardly to make that call.

Are you beating someone to the punch?

[icallfouls]

it pains me to do this, but couldn't resist

where does it say always?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Are you beating someone to the punch?

Thought I might as well.

[Time2Ref]

I'm thinking this is a POI situation.

The point of interuption was me going to the locker room.

[Mark Padgett]

You do realize, don't you, that team B might make only one of their free throws. Do I have to say any more?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think I'm too cowardly to make that call.

That's funny. I'm glad that everyone knows what my position is.

Since JR started this thread, Rulz rules.

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 3: Team A is leading 62-60 when the horn sounds to end the game. A1 then removes his/her jersey near the team bench (a) before the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area; or (b) after the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area. RULING: In (a), A1 is assessed a technical foul. Team B is awarded two free throws; if both are successful, overtime will be played. In (b), since the officials' jurisdiction has ended, no penalty is assessed. (3-4-15; 2-2-4; 10-4-1h)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's funny. I'm glad that everyone knows what my position is.

Since JR started this thread, Rulz rules.

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 3: Team A is leading 62-60 when the horn sounds to end the game. A1 then removes his/her jersey near the team bench (a) before the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area; or (b) after the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area. RULING: In (a), A1 is assessed a technical foul. Team B is awarded two free throws; if both are successful, overtime will be played. In (b), since the officials' jurisdiction has ended, no penalty is assessed. (3-4-15; 2-2-4; 10-4-1h)

Knowing your position means you're predictable.

I'm in the locker room.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Since JR started this thread, Rulz rules.

And JR says "Rulz rules..just about all of the time."

Jmo but I think that you can't make a blanket statement that covers every single circumstance, event, nuance, etc. of what we run into while officiating during our individual career. I realize that the FED tried to take the judgment out of this particular call but I also think that they didn't allow for all situations when they did so. And I think that the majority of officials realize that. It might be analgous to the situation in the past when throwing an elbow without contact was an automatic "T". Officials from sea to shining sea refused to call it because they thought the punishment didn't fit the crime. And the penalty was changed to a violation because of that.

Again this is jmo but I think that this is one example of where the strictest application of a rule doesn't really meet the purpose and intent of the rule. I can't think of one reason why this particular act could ever be called unsporting as long as no taunting was involved with it, or could ever affect the game in any way.

Note that the situation in the OP actually came up in a varsity boys game Tuesday night in one of the high school leagues that we cover. Our association's rules interpreter asked me for my thoughts on it. Which is why I asked for your thoughts on it. You can bet it will be discussed at our next general meeting.

I welcome further feedback and opinions on this one.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Note that the situation in the OP actually came up in a varsity boys game Tuesday night in one of the high school leagues that we cover. Our association's rules interpreter asked me for my thoughts on it. Which is why I asked for your thoughts on it. You can bet it will be discussed at our next general meeting.

I welcome further feedback and opinions on this one.

Since that is the case, I have to ask. The official charged a T, right? Otherwise, why would your association interpreter or you being hearing about this? I'm thinking that someone was unhappy because an official called a T after the final horn and called it in.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Since that is the case, I have to ask. The official charged a T, right? Otherwise, why would your association interpreter or you being hearing about this? I'm thinking that someone was unhappy because an official called a T after the final horn and called it in.

Nope, no technical foul was assessed. The official involved asked our interpreter whether he thought that one should have been given under those circumstances. The rules interpreter told him that he wouldn't recommend it if no unsporting behavior or taunting was involved. Fwiw I agreed.

We ask our people to bring questions like this to our attention. The biggest benefit is that we can discuss it at our next meeting, come to a consensus and ask all of our officials to try and call it uniformly if it ever comes up again. We've done this with other things like the "displaced shoe/untied shoelace" situation that came up in another thread.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Jmo but I think that you can't make a blanket statement that covers every single circumstance, event, nuance, etc.

Well, most people can't.

But Nevada sure can.

[icallfouls]

OP but adding this is for the State Championship. Fans have rushed the court and one of the officials was not able to get out as fast as the rest of the crew. One of the players removes jersey and throws it into the air in celebration or disgust.

Are people really saying that this is a T they would call?

Hey where did that can of worms come from? I heard something hit a fan.