Question re: Jurisdiction

[Jurassic Referee]

The horn sounds to end the game with team A beating team B 77-76. As you start to run off the floor, you see A22 remove his shirt.

Is it a technical foul by rule?

Would you make this call if it was a technical foul by rule?

[CDurham]

I would use common sense in this case. The game is over in the minds of everyone other than officials. Technically, it's not over until the officials leave the visual confines of the court, thus approving the score.

The rule states that Jersey/Pants may not be removed within visual confines of playing. Since the game had finished there will be no more "playing" to follow. So this would be allowed if I was in those shoes.

Hopefully I'm thinking straight on this one! I would like to see that called though to see everyones reaction

[tjones1]

Hold on CDur...you are trying to bend the rule a little...

10-3-3h / 10-4-1h says:
Removing the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Hold on CDur...you are trying to bend the rule a little...

10-3-3h / 10-4-1h says:
Removing the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

haha I've been caught! I read it from the back of the rule book where is states the differences between NFHS and NCAA. Guess they left out "area" I felt like that was correct though.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Is it a technical foul by rule?

Yup.

Would you make this call if it was a technical foul by rule?

My goal after a game is to get out of there quick so I don't see it. Even if I saw it, no way I'm calling a T on this - even I'm not willing to pick that fight (with the coach or the assignor). Guess the only exception would be if I thought it was done to taunt the losing team or the crowd.

[slow whistle]

Yes it is a technical foul by rule. No I would not call it....I don't believe I would get backing from my association for that call and would likely be out of the officiating business.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The horn sounds to end the game with team A beating team B 77-76. As you start to run off the floor, you see A22 remove his shirt.

He did what???

Man, how did we miss that?

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

He did what???

Man, how did we miss that?

... really, we thought those were cheerleaders' sweaters hanging from the rim on our way out!

[Adam]

I think I'm too cowardly to make that call.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think I'm too cowardly to make that call.

Are you beating someone to the punch?

[icallfouls]

it pains me to do this, but couldn't resist

where does it say always?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Are you beating someone to the punch?

Thought I might as well.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think I'm too cowardly to make that call.

That's funny. I'm glad that everyone knows what my position is.

Since JR started this thread, Rulz rules.

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 3: Team A is leading 62-60 when the horn sounds to end the game. A1 then removes his/her jersey near the team bench (a) before the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area; or (b) after the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area. RULING: In (a), A1 is assessed a technical foul. Team B is awarded two free throws; if both are successful, overtime will be played. In (b), since the officials' jurisdiction has ended, no penalty is assessed. (3-4-15; 2-2-4; 10-4-1h)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's funny. I'm glad that everyone knows what my position is.

Since JR started this thread, Rulz rules.

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 3: Team A is leading 62-60 when the horn sounds to end the game. A1 then removes his/her jersey near the team bench (a) before the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area; or (b) after the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area. RULING: In (a), A1 is assessed a technical foul. Team B is awarded two free throws; if both are successful, overtime will be played. In (b), since the officials' jurisdiction has ended, no penalty is assessed. (3-4-15; 2-2-4; 10-4-1h)

Knowing your position means you're predictable.

I'm in the locker room.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Since JR started this thread, Rulz rules.

And JR says "Rulz rules..just about all of the time."

Jmo but I think that you can't make a blanket statement that covers every single circumstance, event, nuance, etc. of what we run into while officiating during our individual career. I realize that the FED tried to take the judgment out of this particular call but I also think that they didn't allow for all situations when they did so. And I think that the majority of officials realize that. It might be analgous to the situation in the past when throwing an elbow without contact was an automatic "T". Officials from sea to shining sea refused to call it because they thought the punishment didn't fit the crime. And the penalty was changed to a violation because of that.

Again this is jmo but I think that this is one example of where the strictest application of a rule doesn't really meet the purpose and intent of the rule. I can't think of one reason why this particular act could ever be called unsporting as long as no taunting was involved with it, or could ever affect the game in any way.

Note that the situation in the OP actually came up in a varsity boys game Tuesday night in one of the high school leagues that we cover. Our association's rules interpreter asked me for my thoughts on it. Which is why I asked for your thoughts on it. You can bet it will be discussed at our next general meeting.

I welcome further feedback and opinions on this one.