JUCO misery

[rwest]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Why didn't you talk fast and insist on going through a good pregame? I think this is where your leadership comes in and lifts the crew. If they asked you back they realize you are good enough to do the game and they want to work with you. I see it as an opportunity to see 1) college-level plays and 2) help another official get better.

Do you think going over 3 person mechanics in a 15 minute pre-game is going to help the crew? I don't. You just confuse them more. I think its too late to learn 3 man when you are about to step out on the floor. That's something that needs to be handled at camps, scrimmages and then work the newbies into some low intense matchups before setting them lose on a more challenging varsity schedule. Definitely not 15 minutes before a JUCO game!

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by rwest

Do you think going over 3 person mechanics in a 15 minute pre-game is going to help the crew? I don't. You just confuse them more. I think its too late to learn 3 man when you are about to step out on the floor. That's something that needs to be handled at camps, scrimmages and then work the newbies into some low intense matchups before setting them lose on a more challenging varsity schedule. Definitely not 15 minutes before a JUCO game!

In 2 person games, the L going strong side is a mechanic. Therefore they would have initiated a rotation for a 3 person crew?

Here's is my discussion of rotation in this scenario:
Rotations for 3 man are similar to 2 man. When L goes opposite, the T needs to step down, the C needs to step up. If you are the T and you see another T, look to see where the L is and adjust accordingly.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by rwest

Do you think going over 3 person mechanics in a 15 minute pre-game is going to help the crew? I don't. You just confuse them more. I think its too late to learn 3 man when you are about to step out on the floor. That's something that needs to be handled at camps, scrimmages and then work the newbies into some low intense matchups before setting them lose on a more challenging varsity schedule. Definitely not 15 minutes before a JUCO game!

Can you show me a quote where I said to teach them 3-man mechanics in 15 minutes? IMO, part of a good pregame is getting comfortable with your partners. During this discussion we can find out things that will help during the game.

I don't recall (virtually) meeting you. Hello, my name is Tom and I'm not your huckleberry.

Seriously, I'm very much aware that 3-man cannot be taught in 15 minutes, but I think something can always be gained from a good pregame. The more the OP knew about his crew the better they could have done. Maybe not in a structured way they were supposed to, but with a higher call accuracy.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Can you show me a quote where I said to teach them 3-man mechanics in 15 minutes? IMO, part of a good pregame is getting comfortable with your partners. During this discussion we can find out things that will help during the game.

I don't recall (virtually) meeting you. Hello, my name is Tom and I'm not your huckleberry.

Seriously, I'm very much aware that 3-man cannot be taught in 15 minutes, but I think something can always be gained from a good pregame. The more the OP knew about his crew the better they could have done. Maybe not in a structured way they were supposed to, but with a higher call accuracy.

Your post seemed to me to indicate that a pregame would have helped with 3 man mechanics. I apologize for reading too much into it. However, there is a big difference between a 2 man pre-game and a 3 man pre-game. Must of what you cover in a one does not apply to the other, namely because you are talking about specifics involving the mechanics you will be using. Sure there are things that transfer over. However, I do agree with you that a good pre-game is a must.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by rwest

Your post seemed to me to indicate that a pregame would have helped with 3 man mechanics. I apologize for reading too much into it. However, there is a big difference between a 2 man pre-game and a 3 man pre-game. Must of what you cover in a one does not apply to the other, namely because you are talking about specifics involving the mechanics you will be using. Sure there are things that transfer over. However, I do agree with you that a good pre-game is a must.

For one, don't tell me to call down; I thought I followed up some of what I said by "seriously" which meant I wasn't serious in the first place. My pregame and your pregame are obviously different. I'm not giving a 3-man refresher clinic before every game so there is no need to assume that is what I was talking about. The situation is an obstacle. I feel like they could have done something, via a pregame, that would have helped the situation.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by tomegun

For one, don't tell me to call down; I thought I followed up some of what I said by "seriously" which meant I wasn't serious in the first place. My pregame and your pregame are obviously different. I'm not giving a 3-man refresher clinic before every game so there is no need to assume that is what I was talking about. The situation is an obstacle. I feel like they could have done something, via a pregame, that would have helped the situation.

My bad! Sorry!

[Ref3]

What JUCO location?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref3

What JUCO location?

Hopefully not the one I'm at tonight.

Actually, I know who I'm working with and the assignor and I know they're not 3-person newbies. Been looking at the NFHS/NCAA differences this afternoon, though, and I'm still trying to figure out how they assessed 2 class B technical fouls for having six players on the floor.

[Ref3]

Make sure you have the correct number of players at all times and you won't have to worry about it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ref3

Make sure you have the correct number of players at all times and you won't have to worry about it.

Easier said than done, Chief. You'll note that in the OP, they did count and a player entered during live ball to make 6. It happens sometimes.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref3

Make sure you have the correct number of players at all times and you won't have to worry about it.

The interesting part is giving the class B technical to the coach for coming onto the court to alert the officials of the sixth player. One which I find absolutely correct, too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The interesting part is giving the class B technical to the coach for coming onto the court to alert the officials of the sixth player. One which I find absolutely correct, too.

Yep, and at that point, I think it might be too late to penalize the sixth player. He might have come onto the court after the ball was whistled dead.