Hell of a game last night, feedback on a OOB call...

[Adam]

This is one of the biggest reasons the new lead shouldn't just turn and run in transition; especially in 2-whistle.

It's also why I have a hard time letting go of that sideline when going from 2 to 3 whistle.

[Berkut]

Thanks for all the pointers guys. It's these little tweaks that really make the difference between a good official and an excellent one. I think I am good, but I want to be excellent.

Appreciate the feedback.

Take-away: In the future, maybe don't even signal at all until I confer, that was I don't have to reverse anything, should I decide my initial view was

A) Wrong, give the ball to white, or
B) Still not sure, go to the arrow.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) I think it's your partner's call (he has that line, even in the BC, even in transitions).

2) You can try reading the players before making a call.

I know you were looking away toward partner for help, but the players reactions can speak volumes.

[Jurassic Referee]

You can only call what you see. Guessing...and second-guessing...is not an option. There's not much that you can do after you've already made the call. Get the ball back into play as soon as you can. The players will go back to playing and the coaches will go back to coaching(after maybe grumbling a bit)...and we don't really care what the fans do or think.

Doo-doo happens. There's not much else you could have done imo.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Berkut

I point down court and say "Black ball!", and the place goes nuts. The coach for white, the players for white, the fans, everyone is screaming bloody murder, while black is cheering and high-fiving each other.

Now, I am about 98% sure at this point that black must have touched that ball after white, just from the reaction of a ****load of people who all had a better look than I did. But I did not see black touch it.

I call my partner over, and as expected, he cannot help. We confer very briefly, then I signal white ball, and we go on amidst the outraged groans from the home bench, the screaming of fans, and the cheering of the visitors. :P

SOunds like you did change the call, am I correct?

Anyway, 3 person fixes this situation 95% of the time. That spot on the floor with 2 is SO TOUGH. Not a whole lot you can do but go with what you see, ask for partner's help, look for the kids' reaction before signaling.

[Berkut]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

SOunds like you did change the call, am I correct?

Anyway, 3 person fixes this situation 95% of the time. That spot on the floor with 2 is SO TOUGH. Not a whole lot you can do but go with what you see, ask for partner's help, look for the kids' reaction before signaling.

Nope, sorry, that is a typo - I signalled black ball.

I even re-read my post, damnit. Uggh.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Berkut

Had a great BJV game last night between two of the better programs in the area.

Anyway, had one situation that I would love to hear some feedback on.

2nd half, home team has the ball in the frontcourt, and it is stolen. I am lead, transitioning to trail, and am across the court from the table.

Ball is moving up the table side of the court, and I am hustling over to get there when it is knocked loose towards the table, but still in the back court. I clearly see the ball go off White's hands, then go behind a couple of players who are going after it (by behind, I mean from my perspective, ie the players screened my view).

Ball goes OOB near the scorers bench, home side of the court (backcourt), ie on my line. (Ball goes OOB, tableside sideline, in the backcourt)

Blow my whistle, stick my hand up, but while I saw the ball last touched by white, I could NOT tell if anyone touched it after that. I look at my partner, who was on that side (was tableside), but hustling up court to try to beat the fast break down, and hope he has something...but he isn't looking at me at all, so I am guessing he does not.

I point down court and say "Black ball!", and the place goes nuts. The coach for white, the players for white, the fans, everyone is screaming bloody murder, while black is cheering and high-fiving each other.



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The Lead should have been looking back over his shoulder. Even if he didn't know who caused the ball to go OOB, he should have had a whistle then asked you for help. Personally I would not expect him to know who it went out on but I would expect him to have a whistle to stop play.

For ease of reading I suggest using different terms, like Team B/Team A, A1/B2, W2,B2 (for color) instead of home team/visiting team. Also the changes noted above in your quoted text. Just a suggestion.

[CDurham]

What would be the correct signal when going with the arrow? Would you just signal the direction in which the arrow is pointing or would you give an explanation?

The Jump-Ball signal would (to me) look ridiculous and incorrect in this scenerio

Thanks

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by CDurham

What would be the correct signal when going with the arrow? Would you just signal the direction in which the arrow is pointing or would you give an explanation?

The Jump-Ball signal would (to me) look ridiculous and incorrect in this scenerio

Thanks

After confirming your partner(s) can't help, a quick two-thumbs up toward the table to let them and the coaches know you're going w/ A/P is appropriate. No need, IMO, to make a show out of it.

Bottom line, though, is that 99% of the time on an OOB call I'm going to make a call with the information I have available.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CDurham

What would be the correct signal when going with the arrow? Would you just signal the direction in which the arrow is pointing or would you give an explanation?

The Jump-Ball signal would (to me) look ridiculous and incorrect in this scenerio

Thanks

I think you're going to have to get used to looking (to you) ridiculous and incorrect.

[CDurham]

I was just thinking that since you wouldnt have a jump ball there was no need to give the signal.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by CDurham

I was just thinking that since you wouldnt have a jump ball there was no need to give the signal.

How else is the table and anyone else in the gym going to know you're going with an alternating possession throw-in?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CDurham

I was just thinking that since you wouldnt have a jump ball there was no need to give the signal.

You mean like on just about every held ball?