What's your call?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I think that's your answer. Violation of the throw-in plane. Since the violation occurs before the touching of the ball, no technical and issue a delay of game warning.

Right answer, wrong reasoning.
There's no technical foul because the ball was released before the defense touched it.
If, however, the defender reaches across and you cannot blow your whistle in time to prevent him from hitting the ball as its held by the thrower, it is a T even the first time. There's a case play (dang I hate leaving my book at work.)

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right answer, wrong reasoning.

Huh?

How is this:

Since the violation occurs before the touching of the ball, no technical and issue a delay of game warning.

Different reasoning than this:

There's no technical foul because the ball was released before the defense touched it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I think that's your answer. Violation of the throw-in plane. Since the violation occurs before the touching of the ball, no technical and issue a delay of game warning.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right answer, wrong reasoning.

Originally Posted by fiasco

Huh?

I wasn't clear, so I've highlighted the incorrect reasoning above.

This is the one play where you can ignore the fact that the ball was touched and simply issue a DOG warning. But, you're not really ignoring it, because it's not against the rules.

Otherwise, as I explained in my post, you can't ignore the technical just because a violation happened before it. If you don't blow your whistle before the defense touches the ball, you have to call the T. The reasoning rufus gave would lead one to believe the following scenario should result in only a DOG warning:

A1 with ball OOB for a throw-in.
B1 reaches across and swings his arms. Official tells him to knock it off. B1 then slaps the ball.

This is a T, regardless of whether a warning has been issued, and a warning is also issued if it has not been already.

[Rufus]

I understand where you're going and appreciate the clarification. Would the fact that, in my post, I've already blown the ball dead before there is contact with the ball not have an impact on whether or not I call a T? In other words:

1. A1 has the ball to throw in (live ball)
2. B1 reached through the throw in plane (live ball)
3. I blow the whistle for the DOG (dead ball)
4. B1 contacts the ball while A1 still is holding it (dead ball)

The example you provided almost fits mine above, but rather than saying knock it off I'd blow it dead and issue a DOG. If I didn't blow it dead due to the violation then yes, I agree you have to call the T there.

Not trying to argue, just trying to get this right. Thanks.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I understand where you're going and appreciate the clarification. Would the fact that, in my post, I've already blown the ball dead before there is contact with the ball not have an impact on whether or not I call a T? In other words:

1. A1 has the ball to throw in (live ball)
2. B1 reached through the throw in plane (live ball)
3. I blow the whistle for the DOG (dead ball)
4. B1 contacts the ball while A1 still is holding it (dead ball)

The example you provided almost fits mine above, but rather than saying knock it off I'd blow it dead and issue a DOG. If I didn't blow it dead due to the violation then yes, I agree you have to call the T there.

Not trying to argue, just trying to get this right. Thanks.

Right on all counts.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I understand where you're going and appreciate the clarification. Would the fact that, in my post, I've already blown the ball dead before there is contact with the ball not have an impact on whether or not I call a T? In other words:

1. A1 has the ball to throw in (live ball)
2. B1 reached through the throw in plane (live ball)
3. I blow the whistle for the DOG (dead ball)
4. B1 contacts the ball while A1 still is holding it (dead ball)

The example you provided almost fits mine above, but rather than saying knock it off I'd blow it dead and issue a DOG. If I didn't blow it dead due to the violation then yes, I agree you have to call the T there.

Not trying to argue, just trying to get this right. Thanks.

If it's all the same action ("reach-through-and-touch-the-held-ball-all-in-one-motion") then it's a T, no matter how quick your whistle.

If it's separate acts ("reach through and then make another stab at and touch the ball") then it's a DOG violation (the first time), no matter how slow the whistle.