Words can't describe.... this video.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Grabbing the arm = hold. The hold was on the right forearm of the offensive player and resulted in a possession consequence (advantage not intended by rule) of white losing the ball.

Never said that grabbing (holding) is always a foul. Those are your words. By that logic nothing is a foul.

I understand where everyone is coming from.

Then you do not understand where I am coming from. If the ball is poked out first and in an effort to go for the ball some touching of arms and body takes place, it is not a foul unless someone is put at a disadvantage. If you have the ball stolen from you, there better be more than a simple grab to cause a foul. That player better has been put at a disadvantage. And I am not saying anything goes during a loose ball, but when the ball is lose and bodies are flying all over the place, it is not in my experience a good practice just to call a foul because there is some minor body contact or even very brief contact with the arms unless there is a clear disadvantage. And I am using the incidental contact rules to justify that and common practice. It looks to me like the ball was stolen first and then some contact afterward. That may not be the actual case, but I have seen plays like this before and if the illegal contact did not result in the steal, I have got a play on.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It looks to me like the ball was stolen first and then some contact afterward. That may not be the actual case, but I have seen plays like this before and if the illegal contact did not result in the steal, I have got a play on.

And it may have looked that way to the T too. Illegal contact is always a judgment call.

Or maybe he blew the call(shrug).