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Old Sun Jan 10, 2010, 04:45pm
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Player is in control. There is no definition for "holding the ball" though the description meets the basic qualifications a held ball (4-25). I vote for traveling (though it is not a hill I am willing to die on).
Ah, you might want to read the definition in the post prior to yours, where it says traveling occurs while "holding the ball."
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2010, 10:25pm
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Ah, you might want to read the definition in the post prior to yours, where it says traveling occurs while "holding the ball."
He pins the ball to the floor and runs a little circle around it. Travel or no? "Holding the ball" does not necessarily have to mean that he has it gripped tightly between 2 hands.
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2010, 11:09pm
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He pins the ball to the floor and runs a little circle around it. Travel or no? "Holding the ball" does not necessarily have to mean that he has it gripped tightly between 2 hands.
Let me ask you this, would you grant a TO if he was pinning the ball to the floor?
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Let me ask you this, would you grant a TO if he was pinning the ball to the floor?
If you hadn't asked this question, I probably would have, but now I wouldn't.
The player with the ball pinned is neither holding nor dribbling it. There is no player control, so no timeout.
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 08:15am
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Let me ask you this, would you grant a TO if he was pinning the ball to the floor?
Actually was going to use that question instead, but the thought of the guy leaning on his arm running around in circles was more amusing.

Answer, if his hand was on top of the ball and he had it forcefully pinned (which is the way I have pretty much pictured this whole scenario) I would most likely grant the TO.
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 09:15am
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Answer, if his hand was on top of the ball and he had it forcefully pinned (which is the way I have pretty much pictured this whole scenario) I would most likely grant the TO.
Which criterion of 'player control' has this player satisfied?
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Ok...player has hands big enought to palm the basketball. Now, is the player holding it, even though it's on the floor?
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 01:34pm
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Ok...player has hands big enought to palm the basketball. Now, is the player holding it, even though it's on the floor?

Are his fingers closed around it? Have to judge whether or not he is controlling it, I am probably saying he is not unless he is obviously palming it and moving it around....a htbt for sure...
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 02:14pm
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Which criterion of 'player control' has this player satisfied?
If the defender did a belly slide and grabbed the ball on each side while the guy had his hand on top would it be a held ball?
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 02:39pm
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Great point, Anchor.

If the player on the floor could contest the defender taking the ball, then yes...he was "holding " the ball.
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Old Mon Jan 11, 2010, 03:06pm
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If the defender did a belly slide and grabbed the ball on each side while the guy had his hand on top would it be a held ball?
I asked about player control. You're talking about a held ball. Different animals.
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