Count it?

[krampuppy]

The ref called a 'push' it was a body bump that caused the foul and he continued in his motion but traveled before shooting. The ref admitted he took an extra step but said he allowed it because of the foul. My point is that you can't just make up a rule. You only get two steps. PERIOD right?

[rwest]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

The ref called a 'push' it was a body bump that caused the foul and he continued in his motion but traveled before shooting. The ref admitted he took an extra step but said he allowed it because of the foul. My point is that you can't just make up a rule. You only get two steps. PERIOD right?

You only get two steps in the NBA. In high school, if you pick up your pivot foot, you must shoot, pass or call timeout before it is returned to the floor or you have a violation for traveling.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

The ref called a 'push' it was a body bump that caused the foul and he continued in his motion but traveled before shooting. The ref admitted he took an extra step but said he allowed it because of the foul. My point is that you can't just make up a rule. You only get two steps. PERIOD right?

Coach, don't think in terms of "two steps." Think in terms of which foot is the pivot foot, that's how the rule is worded.

And I agree, I would have waved off the shot and awarded two free throws.

[ref3808]

I'm reading driving the lane as not yet being in the act of shooting. Could it not just as easily be a drive and dish off? The situation wasn't written as fouled in the act of shooting.

Anyway, most of us appear to be of similar mind, no basket - two shots.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ref3808

I'm reading driving the lane as not yet being in the act of shooting. Could it not just as easily be a drive and dish off? The situation wasn't written as fouled in the act of shooting.

Anyway, most of us appear to be of similar mind, no basket - two shots.

If the player had gather the ball when he was fouled, he most likely had begun his shooting motion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ref3808

I'm reading driving the lane as not yet being in the act of shooting. Could it not just as easily be a drive and dish off? The situation wasn't written as fouled in the act of shooting.

Anyway, most of us appear to be of similar mind, no basket - two shots.

If the player was 5' 2" and his 6' 8" postman was wide open under the basket I might judge he was passing.

But if it's Gilbert Arenas or George Gervin, then shot all the way.

[ref3808]

I get it ...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If the player was 5' 2" and his 6' 8" postman was wide open under the basket I might judge he was passing.

But if it's Gilbert Arenas or George Gervin, then shot all the way.

If it was Arenas, you might want to make sure he wasn't out of ammo before you make that assumption.

[krampuppy]

Lets just say that for a moment that the player was in the act of shooting but he was bumped which caused him to travel and then make the shot. This is what the referree told me happened. So I asked how can you count the shot if he traveled? The response was 'because he was pushed I gave him an extra step." You can't just change the rules of the game because of a foul... right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

Lets just say that for a moment that the player was in the act of shooting but he was bumped which caused him to travel and then make the shot. This is what the referree told me happened. So I asked how can you count the shot if he traveled? The response was 'because he was pushed I gave him an extra step." You can't just change the rules of the game because of a foul... right?

Coach, the rules don't specifically state this shot shouldn't count. That said, the inference is there.

Here's why.
1. The ball normally becomes dead on a foul, unless the shooting motion has begun.
2. That exception (shooting motion) does not apply to an offensive violation.
3. The ball would have been dead when the shooter traveled.
4. A dead ball going through the basket is irrelevant, thus no basket.

That said, I wouldn't get too worked up over this. I don't think it's that uncommon of a mistake, as the rules take a bit of navigation to figure this one out.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by krampuppy

Lets just say that for a moment that the player was in the act of shooting but he was bumped which caused him to travel and then make the shot. This is what the referree told me happened. So I asked how can you count the shot if he traveled? The response was 'because he was pushed I gave him an extra step." You can't just change the rules of the game because of a foul... right?

Haven't we already answered that question for you Coach?

As described it would be no basket and a 2-shot foul.