Inadvertent whistle, oh my

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, apples and apples.

While I agree an official should only grant TO requests during certain specified times, this case play tells us if the improper request is still acknowledged, the TO is still granted.

I did miss the point about the players also requesting a TO on the rebound. After considering your arguments, I will concede their veracity in this particular situation.

Apples and apples it is.

Now shut up.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

After considering your points, I will concede their veracity in this particular situation.

Apples and apples it is.

What?!? Is this the kindlier and gentlier JR?!?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Now shut up.

Ahh...there he is.

[jdmara]

I totally agree I never should have whistled until he had complete possession of the ball, I admitted that mistake wholeheartedly. I took my eyes off the ball for a split seconds to make sure who was calling the timeout and anticipated when I shouldn't have. I flubbed up in a crucial moment of the game. In fact as soon as I whistled and the ball popped out, I started to smile because I knew I screwed the pooch on this one.

I think under FED rules I got it right using Case Plays 5.8.3E and 7.5.3 but I was curious about NCAA M & W more than anything.

-Josh

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I guess you're doing it for the love of the game. 18 dollars? Wow.

I get some good experience with officiating and I get use of the facilities for a reduced price. It's worth it to me as I can't train outdie for marathons in the winter time. I'm not that die-hard of a runner.

-Josh

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

What?!? Is this the kindlier and gentlier JR?!?

That's me. But I also hope that I'll always admit that I'm wrong when somebody irrefutably points it out out to me.

Even when I'm in grumpy mode......

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's me. But I also hope that I'll always admit that I'm wrong when somebody irrefutably points it out out to me.

Even when I'm in grumpy mode......

Um...this seems to imply you have another mode.

I thought grumpy mode for you even applied while you were asleep.

Yea, I know: shut up.

[jdmara]

So is it true that in both NCAA W & M, this would be an inadvertent whistle and then the coach for Team B would decide if they still want the timeout? Any references?

Just an FYI, if the player would have said, "We want a timeout after the rebound." I would have replied that he'll "make sure to request it after the rebound". But since he was an official he knew that he purposely said, "they will be requesting a timeout on the rebound".

I was the most disappointed of anyone on the floor that the ball squeezed out. It was a stupid mistake.

-Josh

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by jdmara

So is it true that in both NCAA W & M, this would be an inadvertent whistle and then the coach for Team B would decide if they still want the timeout? Any references?

Just an FYI, if the player would have said, "We want a timeout after the rebound." I would have replied that he'll "make sure to request it after the rebound". But since he was an official he knew that he purposely said, "they will be requesting a timeout on the rebound".

I was the most disappointed of anyone on the floor that the ball squeezed out. It was a stupid mistake.

(sh)it happens. But it happens to all of us - that's how we happen to "own" certain rules. In your case, I simply look at the players' statements or requests as a "heads-up" to look for and be aware of the request at the proper time.

I'm not sure about NCAA-M, but the players were correct for NCAA-W. An incorrect TO request is treated as an inadvertant whistle. Then, of course, a TO can be requested and granted during that dead ball. The exception is during the last minute of the game, where any TO request cannot be granted during the dead ball following an inadvertant whistle. I do not have my NCAA books with me, but I can post the specific rule and/or A.R. later.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

(sh)it happens. But it happens to all of us - that's how we happen to "own" certain rules. In your case, I simply look at the players' statements or requests as a "heads-up" to look for and be aware of the request at the proper time.

I'm not sure about NCAA-M, but the players were correct for NCAA-W. An incorrect TO request is treated as an inadvertant whistle. Then, of course, a TO can be requested and granted during that dead ball. The exception is during the last minute of the game, where any TO request cannot be granted during the dead ball following an inadvertant whistle. I do not have my NCAA books with me, but I can post the specific rule and/or A.R. later.

Thanks!

-Josh