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If jdmara was using NCAA-W rules, the players would be correct. Under NFHS rules, jdmra handled it correctly.
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In that case play, the official was responding to what he/she thought was a legitimate TO request. In the OP, the official is responding to what he should know is NOT a legal TO request. Big difference imho.... Apples and oranges...... Under NFHS rules, you can only grant TO requests as per rule 5-8-3. If you follow that rule, you won't get yourself into trouble as in the OP. Last edited by Jurassic Referee; Thu Dec 31, 2009 at 04:27pm. |
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Whenever a request is made for a future situation, it is always good to ask them to request it at that time. The onus is on the team to make the request. That way, you never put yourself in that position. You can look to the bench at that time to grant a request, but a TO on a rebound is much more difficult to anticipate than after a made FT.
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I happen to own both rules (NFHS and NCAA-W) very well. ![]() It is nice to have you back, even though our first conversation has to be a disagreement. But, something's missing...shouldn't one of us be telling the other to shut up? ![]() ![]()
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Apples and apples it is. Now shut up. Last edited by Jurassic Referee; Thu Dec 31, 2009 at 04:50pm. |
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That's me. But I also hope that I'll always admit that I'm wrong when somebody irrefutably points it out out to me.
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I thought grumpy mode for you even applied while you were asleep. Yea, I know: shut up. ![]()
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So is it true that in both NCAA W & M, this would be an inadvertent whistle and then the coach for Team B would decide if they still want the timeout? Any references?
Just an FYI, if the player would have said, "We want a timeout after the rebound." I would have replied that he'll "make sure to request it after the rebound". But since he was an official he knew that he purposely said, "they will be requesting a timeout on the rebound". I was the most disappointed of anyone on the floor that the ball squeezed out. It was a stupid mistake. -Josh |
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I totally agree I never should have whistled until he had complete possession of the ball, I admitted that mistake wholeheartedly. I took my eyes off the ball for a split seconds to make sure who was calling the timeout and anticipated when I shouldn't have. I flubbed up in a crucial moment of the game. In fact as soon as I whistled and the ball popped out, I started to smile because I knew I screwed the pooch on this one.
I think under FED rules I got it right using Case Plays 5.8.3E and 7.5.3 but I was curious about NCAA M & W more than anything. -Josh |
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Nice reference. With regards to a timeout erroneously being granted, the cited NFHS case states "once granted it cannot be revoked".
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