Designated spot after timeout / made basket?

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Disagree. I don't think this one is interpreted literally. "On the floor" means not on the shot. It doesn't imply the shot doesn't count, it means the shot doesn't count. I don't think many people relate it directly to the position of the player with regard to touching the floor or not.

I, personally, don't like this one, because not only is it inaccurate from a rulebook standpoint, I don't consider it to be a good description of a foul occurring before the motion which habitually proceeds the try has begun.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I, personally, don't like this one, because not only is it inaccurate from a rulebook standpoint, I don't consider it to be a good description of a foul occurring before the motion which habitually proceeds the try has begun.

Hey, I think I just wrote that!

[Nevadaref]

Some thoughts from other frequent posters here as written on the NFHS forum:

Originally Posted by The Cranky Old Dinosaur

Common sense tells me that "on the floor" has NO relevance at all when it comes to having to decide whether a player was in the act of shooting or not. A player can be "on the floor" and still be awarded 2 or 3 FT's for being fouled in the act of shooting. Common sense also tells me that you don't seem to understand the relevant rule very well.

It's got nothing at all to do with arrogance. It's got everything to do with knowing and understanding the rules so that the play can be called correctly. It's also got everything to do with educating other officials so that they can also call the play correctly.

"On the floor" does NOT equate to being fouled BEFORE starting the act of shooting. Never has. Never will. It is simply not true in ALL cases and that's why that phrase shouldn't ever be used.

Originally Posted by BillyMac's twin brother

What part of this photo did you not understand? If this cute little kid gets fouled in this position, I'm giving him two shots, even though he's "on the floor".

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to have to back Woody and others on this one. Saying "On the floor" is not only confusing, but incorrect. And the point has been made here or many other places as incorrect. You do not have to have a bad holiday to point this out or to say this is incorrect. It is incorrect because the act of shooting starts with the habitual motion to the basket, which often starts without a player leaving the floor. Sorry, but that language is wrong. Do not take it personally.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I, personally, don't like this one, because not only is it inaccurate from a rulebook standpoint, I don't consider it to be a good description of a foul occurring before the motion which habitually proceeds the try has begun.

I don't consider it to be a description at all, but merely a figure of speech which conveys information.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't consider it to be a description at all, but merely a figure of speech which conveys information.

Whether you agree or disagree, the point they're making is that it mattereth not what you think this figure of speech means. It only matters what the hearer thinks it means. If it means something else to the hearer, then you have not conveyed the information you intended.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't consider it to be a description at all, but merely a figure of speech which conveys information.

While it* is sometimes correct, it (too often) gets interpreted as an absolute. Then, when the absolute correctly isn't called, fans, coaches, players wonder why.

So, don't use it.

* - "It" can be over the back, reach, on the floor, etc.