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"On the floor" in the books means nothing. But when you say it, everybody knows what you meant.
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"On the floor" describes a location, not an action. It doesn't tell anyone whether the player had begun shooting yet or not. Thus, it is a very poor phrase to use for such situations. |
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It must. Every time I use it someone yells, "But, he was shooting."
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Granted, the verbalization "on the floor" is incorrect, from a rulebook standpoint. But this is not a literal argument. The player can be off the floor for an extended period of time which is obvious to everyone and still not be in the act of shooting. If a coach asks "Was it (the foul) on the floor?" Is it ok for me to simply say yes or is it necessary to give a language lesson? Is it incorrect? yes Is it misleading? no Is this issue worthy of this many posts? definitely not I've asked this before: Why do we not complain when a coach yells for a "walking" call? Does the word walk appear anywhere in the books?
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I don't consider it to be a description at all, but merely a figure of speech which conveys information.
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Whether you agree or disagree, the point they're making is that it mattereth not what you think this figure of speech means. It only matters what the hearer thinks it means. If it means something else to the hearer, then you have not conveyed the information you intended.
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So, don't use it. * - "It" can be over the back, reach, on the floor, etc. |
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This comment is one of the many that proliferate the divide between coaches and referees -- and in my opinion, there is no reason for it. REFEREES are the ONLY ones who refer to the line at either of the court ONLY as the endline. Are we correct, yes, we are. At the same time, considering all coaches, players and spectators as being ignorant because they use the term "baseline" in lieu of "endline" will likely lead to a career of working against the coaches instead of with them. Quote:
I never ask for or state "walking", but I may quick state "walk." This is no different than stating a single-syllable color when making an out-of-bounds call (even though one of our assignors insist that we call maroon "maroon" and not red and purple "purple" and not blue). The point is, it is quicker to make the single-syllable comment as opposed to saying "he travelled." I have also found that the official is more apt to make the call once or twice a game stating "walk" as opposed to the multiple-syllable statement. Quote:
The problem with "on the floor" is that it leads, in my opinion, to the dreaded comment by the coach of the defending team when a basket IS counted, "This is NOT the NBA!!!" ![]() I think it is much better to come out clearly signalling "no shot" and indicating "before" (as in the foul occurred BEFORE the commencement of the shooting motion) works much better. Sometimes young players NEVER jump when they shoot a shot. You are correct that most coaches equate "on the floor" to mean "non-shooting foul." But, unlike the terms "end line" vs. "baseline" which mean the EXACT same thing, "on the floor" can describe something that is identical to a different outcome (i.e. a player who has picked up his dribble driving in for a lay-up). This is the commencement of the shooting motion, yet coaches will say the player was "on the floor" when he was fouled. Hence, this particular terminology is leading to problems during games. More than $.02 this time.... Last edited by CMHCoachNRef; Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:30am. |
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