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Intent of the Medical Waiver
We are talking about legal minors here, correct? The sole purpose of the waiver is two fold, first (but sometimes this is ommited) to release from financial liability the School and all named in the form. Second, to give permission for medical treatment as necessary to be rendered to a minor in the absence of the parent in a case where the parent is not present to give such permission in person. In most States (if not all), medical treatment cannot legally be rendered to a minor unless the injury is clearly life threatning. Essentially without direct parent permission, or the legal signed consent form, they have to be unconscious, or bleeding out. Hence the Medical Waiver is necessary to administer treatment. In no way is a consent form intended nor shall ever be interpreted to hold more weight than the actual parent. Cheagle- if the HS team Doctor is the top neuro surgeon in the country and the kid is unconscious on the floor, and Dad comes over picks kid up and takes kid to the hospital, the only thing everyone else in the building can, or should do is get the HE- double hockey sticks- out of the way! May not be the smartest thing to do, but NO PIECE OF PAPER holds more weight or power than thge parent. Not even the official scorer who apparently memorizes rule books, LOL
As for penalizing a team, or kicking a parent out of a game because the parent came down from the stands to check on their hurt child, well you can do that if you choose, and I can consider you to be a bloody moron if I choose for doing that, or even suggesting in a thread that you would. 
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Thu Dec 24, 2009, 10:08pm
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What about the Hippocratic Oath? "I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement: To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art. I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone. I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion. But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art. In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot." If I was a coach or floor official, I would rely more on the professional judgement/opinion of a medical professional than a paranoid, frantic parent. Parents, true, are doing what they think is best for their child(ren), but at what cost? So in all actually the only way a parent should be allowed on the court is if they are medical professionals. If not, they need to stay out of the way of those that are. Like I said before, a parent should be involved yes, but only after the student-athlete has been removed from the court & out of sight of all spectators. If I was working crowd control in this situation, I would physically put myself between the parent & the student-athlete so that they could not become one until after removed from the court. One of the primary rules in crowd control is to de-escalate the situation before it gets blown out of proportion. By allowing the parent onto the court, you have just allowed a match to be lit in a potentially explosive situation.
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Thu Dec 24, 2009, 10:17pm
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Like I said before, the parent would be allowed to be involved but as a bystander until the student-athlete is off the court & either in the locker room or in the process of being transported either via the parent themselves or ambulance.
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Sometimes I can't believe the illusion of power some folks have! OK, rant mode off..... Congrats on hitting that 1000 post milestone!  Happy Holidays my friend! Heard it was snowing in Dallas today - keep warm & stay dry!
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Thanks for the kudos on the post count - where are my prizes?? It's like friggin' Oregon in Dallas today. And I am supposed to be catching a flight to Portland tomorrow - I hope it doesn't get cancelled. It's nasty here. Merry Xmas, my friend...
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Thu Dec 24, 2009, 11:31pm
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The parent needs to remain in the stands until properly summoned if needed. You wouldn't contend that the parent is being prevented from fulfilling his/her proper role as the decision maker at the hospital because the person isn't allowed into the operating room would you? If something happens during a surgery and a doctor takes action in the course of the operation are you saying that you will try to have him arrested and pursue criminal and civil proceedings because you weren't permitted to be at your child's side holding his/her hand? Good luck with that.
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Fri Dec 25, 2009, 12:41am
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It's not an abuse of power, it's called keeping all unneeded personnel away from the scene to maintain order for the medical personnel on hand in order to do what they need to do. This regulation comes to play whether it's a college football game or a rock concert. I've worked both with similar situations. Whether it's on the court/stage/field or up among the patrons in the stands, in a medical assist circumstance the only people allowed to be directly involved are the medical personnel/first responders. In the situation of a parent being involved during the initial processing is if the parent is themselves a medical professional, otherwise they must remian a spectator until their child is removed from the court. The only time a parent is allowed to be involved during the whole process is if the child involved is a young child (8-10 & below in age). Last edited by chseagle; Fri Dec 25, 2009 at 12:44am.
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Thu Dec 24, 2009, 10:35pm
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You don't belong out there. It's that simple. I don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this. The playing court is for the players and officials, no one else. PERIOD. When there is an injury the appropriate people are beckoned on to attend to that individual.
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Thu Dec 24, 2009, 10:44pm
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For the sake of argument, let's say that a child suffers a life-threatening injury on the court and the game is stopped. What skills does the average parent have which is going to help that child? Unless the parent is an EMT (fireman/police/first response trained) or medical doctor what good is it going to do to have the person down there? Is it going to please you that your child was able to die in your arms? What happens when your child is transported to the hospital for surgery? Does the surgeon permit mom and dad into the operating room? No, you sit in the hallway and wait while the appropriate people handle the situation. This is no different, but because there isn't a wall between the stands and the court people somehow feel entitled to come out there. People really need to get over their sense of self-importance and remain where they belong.
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Your idea of who might want to consider their sense of self importance is a good idea, as often our best ideas are the ones we realize are for and about our selves, even when we originally though they were intended for others. This hypothetical situation has nothing to do with any sort of sense of self importance. The very idea is an injury and insult to intelligent linear thought. When a baby comes out of your vagina, there's a very strong emotional attachment that can cause an adult to forget all about silly rules when they see their child hurt on the floor. THis is of the deep care, concern, and passion a parent has for their child, which has zero to do with a sense of self importance. I know I'm a howler monkey, so automatically I have no credibility, but I've read a lot of your comments, and I used to think you were a pretty sharp referee who exhibited a good measure of smarts. But your comments in this thread are just bizzare.
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