Flagrant foul

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by representing

I've never called a flagrant foul. Fighting is flagrant, any excessive force in a reckless manner on a player is usually flagrant. The key word there is excessive. If it's just a little bit of force in a reckless manner while not making an attempt to play the ball, then it would be an intentional foul.

Lah me.....

The key word is "excessive? If that was true, then how come the definition of an intentional foul in rule 4-19-3 states that it's "excessive contact with an opponent"?

Methinks it might not be a bad idea if you were to actually learn some of the basic rules before answering questions.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Lah me.....

The key word is "excessive? If that was true, then how come the definition of an intentional foul in rule 4-19-3 states that it's "excessive contact with an opponent"?

Methinks it might not be a bad idea if you were to actually learn some of the basic rules before answering questions.

Amen.

[TimTaylor]

Examples...let's see.....

Player trapped in back court and didn't like it when my partner called him for traveling - when I asked him for the ball he turned and threw it directly at me at head level as hard as he could from about 10 feet away .....it got better.... when I reported the flagrant & resulting DQ, his coach came yelling and screaming onto the court, earning himself a T from my partner!

Player going for layup on a fast break - defender takes him out from behind and both go crashing to the floor. As I whistle and indicate intentional foul, player that was fouled rolls over and deliberately kicks the kid who fouled him.

[Adam]

Aside from fighting (the obvious), I'll give you an example.
2nd quarter of a BF game, B1 shoves a breakaway shooter from behind. I hit him with the intentional.
Early in the 4th quarter, B1 does it again; this time with a smaller shooter. B1 is 6-2 250 and the shooter was about 5-8 150. Not only did he shove him in the back, he wound up and shoved "through" him. The intent was obvious, and my partner went immediately to the flagrant call.

His parents weren't happy. Apparently, his dad tried to get to our locker room after the game. Then, his mom called the school (game admin was a varsity official in our association) and complained that they (the home school) and the officials were depriving her son of his right to play ball (due to the one game suspension that comes with a flagrant foul).

[Thumper68]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Aside from fighting (the obvious), I'll give you an example.
2nd quarter of a BF game, B1 shoves a breakaway shooter from behind. I hit him with the intentional.
Early in the 4th quarter, B1 does it again; this time with a smaller shooter. B1 is 6-2 250 and the shooter was about 5-8 150. Not only did he shove him in the back, he wound up and shoved "through" him. The intent was obvious, and my partner went immediately to the flagrant call.

His parents weren't happy. Apparently, his dad tried to get to our locker room after the game. Then, his mom called the school (game admin was a varsity official in our association) and complained that they (the home school) and the officials were depriving her son of his right to play ball (due to the one game suspension that comes with a flagrant foul).

This is one thing that today's society and myself tend to differ on. I was always taught that sports (and any other extra activities) were a privilege and not a right. Act and play appropriately and then you don’t have to worry about your right to play. Just my 2 cents. YMMV.

[offici88]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Examples...let's see.....
Player going for layup on a fast break - defender takes him out from behind and both go crashing to the floor. As I whistle and indicate intentional foul, player that was fouled rolls over and deliberately kicks the kid who fouled him.

Intentional on A1 and Flagrant T on B1. I don't have my books in front of me so clarify for me, who gets the ball and where?

Obviously we'll shoot free throws for both teams in the order the fouls occurred (with a replacement player for B). Does this go to AP? POI or mid-court?

I'll register my guess as AP at mid-court.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by offici88

Intentional on A1 and Flagrant T on B1. I don't have my books in front of me so clarify for me, who gets the ball and where?

Obviously we'll shoot free throws for both teams in the order the fouls occurred (with a replacement player for B). Does this go to AP? POI or mid-court?

I'll register my guess as AP at mid-court.

Huh? After the free throws for a technical foul, the shooting team gets the ball at midcourt, opposite table.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by offici88

Obviously we'll shoot free throws for both teams in the order the fouls occurred (with a replacement player for B). Does this go to AP? POI or mid-court?

I'll register my guess as AP at mid-court.

You had it right on the order for the free throws - penalizing fouls in the order they occur also tells us who gets the ball. The team who shoots the second set of FTs gets the ball at mid-court.

[offici88]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

You had it right on the order for the free throws - penalizing fouls in the order they occur also tells us who gets the ball. The team who shoots the second set of FTs gets the ball at mid-court.

I'm confusing successive with double. Double T would be POI, right?

Since this was one then the other, shoot then possession in same order as the fouls.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by offici88

I'm confusing successive with double. Double T would be POI, right?

Since this was one then the other, shoot then possession in same order as the fouls.

Right. A double-T would be no free throws and POI to resume play.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by offici88

I'm confusing successive with double. Double T would be POI, right?

Since this was one then the other, shoot then possession in same order as the fouls.

Classic false double foul.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Amen.

I second that amen.

[Ignats75]

Duh! That's what I get for trying to think after my bedtime. Whistle for first foul made the second foul a dead ball foul and therefore a technical foul. I actually knew that.