T to Start the Game

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Spence

I did all that you mentioned.

Tell me what you would have done differently? I'm not pleased with starting the game that way.

I would have got the starters when I verified the book with the coach.

If I would have went this route, I wouldn't make any signal. Just make sure everything is recorded correctly in the book, made sure the coaches knew what was going on - get the shooter(s), shoot the throws, and start the game.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I would have got the starters when I verified the book with the coach.

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Even if it was at the 7 minute mark?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Spence

Even if it was at the 7 minute mark?

In my area, yes. Your area may certainly be different and your local/state association or supervisor may want things exactly as you called it.

My area is different. It's certainly not uncommon for the scorer to be still putting in the names and numbers at the 12 minute mark. Good scorers in my area are hard to come by and I'm certainly grateful for any help we can get at the table. Therefore, for me, it's not a pressing issue as long as I can get them when I verify the book with the coach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I would have got the starters when I verified the book with the coach.

If I would have went this route, I wouldn't make any signal. Just make sure everything is recorded correctly in the book, made sure the coaches knew what was going on - get the shooter(s), shoot the throws, and start the game.

Originally Posted by Spence

Even if it was at the 7 minute mark?

Verifying the book with the coach isn't universal practice. Here, we're a little relaxed on the book stuff for JV games. We don't make a practice of stopping the clock to ensure everything is good, we just don't worry about it. And in this case, not having the starters noted wouldn't have been noticed, honestly.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Verifying the book with the coach isn't universal practice. Here, we're a little relaxed on the book stuff for JV games. We don't make a practice of stopping the clock to ensure everything is good, we just don't worry about it. And in this case, not having the starters noted wouldn't have been noticed, honestly.

True, and I understand that.... check local listings.

[Zoochy]

Well heck.....
I had the scorekeeper enter the starters into the book when they were getting ready for the opening tip. I had the game delayed for a moment or two untill the scorer was ready. No problem, no Technical foul. It was a subvarsity game.

[Adam]

Exactly. We'll check the book around 12, gives us time to get it added if it's not there yet. If the coach isn't out there yet, we'll head back across court and wait for both teams to warm up for a bit, grab the captains, and then send the R back to the table.

Again, check local listings.

[constable]

It varies from area to area. Many times when doing a Jv/V double header we don't even have 10 minutes between games.

Playoffs- different situation all together. Penalize accordingly.

[Rich]

We do the captain's meeting at 12 and then the R heads to the table.

If the book isn't ready, I talk to the timer. If the timer isn't there, I'll grab the ball and take my traditional 3 pounds of air out of it. If the ball isn't there, I'll test the AP arrow. If the AP arrow isn't there (don't laugh -- I worked a juco game without one), I go back and tell my partner so we can have a bit of a laugh. I'll go back in a few minutes.

I take the rules seriously, but we simply do not have problems with this. 1 game in 25 might have the situation where the book isn't ready.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Verifying the book with the coach isn't universal practice. Here, we're a little relaxed on the book stuff for JV games. We don't make a practice of stopping the clock to ensure everything is good, we just don't worry about it. And in this case, not having the starters noted wouldn't have been noticed, honestly.

We don't stop the clock here either. We walk over at 10:00 minute mark and look at official book. The info is in there, or it isn't. If the scorer is inputting info at that time we assume that they had the info before we came over at 10 minutes. Now, if we see coaches trying to make changes after that time it's a different story. Also - we are a bit relaxed if school shows up late due to weather or bus problem. Then we ask that the coach get the information to the scorer asap.

[jimmpaull]

The advise that you have been given regarding 10.1.1 is correct. To avoid this situation, you could have sent a team rep to the locker room to either have the coach report to the scorer's table or to have the coach tell them who the designated starters were. If the official scorer was familiar with the home team, you could have asked him/her to indicate in the book who the starters were These are not perfect solutions, however they could have helped to prevent the "tech". May I ask why you would have a problem starting the game with the "tech"? It's just another rule. Consider, if you saw an obvious travel, block/charge ete, I'm sure that you would have no problem making that call. Treat this obvious administrative "tech" the same way. Once the coach has earned this tech, I'll guarantee that he won't let it happen again which will make it easier for you and/or any others who work his games in the future.

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by jimmpaull

Once the coach has earned this tech, I'll guarantee that he won't let it happen again.....

You're kidding, right?