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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 02:58pm
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I would have got the starters when I verified the book with the coach.

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Even if it was at the 7 minute mark?
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:07pm
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Even if it was at the 7 minute mark?
In my area, yes. Your area may certainly be different and your local/state association or supervisor may want things exactly as you called it.

My area is different. It's certainly not uncommon for the scorer to be still putting in the names and numbers at the 12 minute mark. Good scorers in my area are hard to come by and I'm certainly grateful for any help we can get at the table. Therefore, for me, it's not a pressing issue as long as I can get them when I verify the book with the coach.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:09pm
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I would have got the starters when I verified the book with the coach.

If I would have went this route, I wouldn't make any signal. Just make sure everything is recorded correctly in the book, made sure the coaches knew what was going on - get the shooter(s), shoot the throws, and start the game.
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Even if it was at the 7 minute mark?
Verifying the book with the coach isn't universal practice. Here, we're a little relaxed on the book stuff for JV games. We don't make a practice of stopping the clock to ensure everything is good, we just don't worry about it. And in this case, not having the starters noted wouldn't have been noticed, honestly.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:11pm
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Verifying the book with the coach isn't universal practice. Here, we're a little relaxed on the book stuff for JV games. We don't make a practice of stopping the clock to ensure everything is good, we just don't worry about it. And in this case, not having the starters noted wouldn't have been noticed, honestly.
True, and I understand that.... check local listings.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:17pm
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Well heck.....
I had the scorekeeper enter the starters into the book when they were getting ready for the opening tip. I had the game delayed for a moment or two untill the scorer was ready. No problem, no Technical foul. It was a subvarsity game.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:23pm
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Exactly. We'll check the book around 12, gives us time to get it added if it's not there yet. If the coach isn't out there yet, we'll head back across court and wait for both teams to warm up for a bit, grab the captains, and then send the R back to the table.

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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:58pm
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It varies from area to area. Many times when doing a Jv/V double header we don't even have 10 minutes between games.

Playoffs- different situation all together. Penalize accordingly.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 08:19pm
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T to the team... does that include an indirect to the coach and he sits the whole game?
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 04:01pm
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We do the captain's meeting at 12 and then the R heads to the table.

If the book isn't ready, I talk to the timer. If the timer isn't there, I'll grab the ball and take my traditional 3 pounds of air out of it. If the ball isn't there, I'll test the AP arrow. If the AP arrow isn't there (don't laugh -- I worked a juco game without one), I go back and tell my partner so we can have a bit of a laugh. I'll go back in a few minutes.

I take the rules seriously, but we simply do not have problems with this. 1 game in 25 might have the situation where the book isn't ready.
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 08:21pm
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We do the captain's meeting at 12 and then the R heads to the table.

If the book isn't ready, I talk to the timer. If the timer isn't there, I'll grab the ball and take my traditional 3 pounds of air out of it. If the ball isn't there, I'll test the AP arrow. If the AP arrow isn't there (don't laugh -- I worked a juco game without one), I go back and tell my partner so we can have a bit of a laugh. I'll go back in a few minutes.

I take the rules seriously, but we simply do not have problems with this. 1 game in 25 might have the situation where the book isn't ready.
Captains at 12? That's too early.

Out on floor by 15
book somewhere between 12 and 10
captains between 6 and 4
U goes over to table at 1 to collect ball and give to R (in games without intros and National Anthem)
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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 03:14pm
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Verifying the book with the coach isn't universal practice. Here, we're a little relaxed on the book stuff for JV games. We don't make a practice of stopping the clock to ensure everything is good, we just don't worry about it. And in this case, not having the starters noted wouldn't have been noticed, honestly.
We don't stop the clock here either. We walk over at 10:00 minute mark and look at official book. The info is in there, or it isn't. If the scorer is inputting info at that time we assume that they had the info before we came over at 10 minutes. Now, if we see coaches trying to make changes after that time it's a different story. Also - we are a bit relaxed if school shows up late due to weather or bus problem. Then we ask that the coach get the information to the scorer asap.
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