Sometimes it just makes you chuckle . . .

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Serious question here...Could we, as part of 2-3 say that the ball was going out of bounds, therefore give possession to the other team? I know officials are part of the floor, and if the ball hits an official it's play on, but we aren't supposed to catch the ball...

What's your opinion?

You can't use 2-3 because this situation is addressed by the rules. If you catch it, drop it where you stand.

You could blow your whistle, go with the IW, and give the ball to the team who had control. In the OP, I might do that if all 10 players are just staring, but dropping the ball and stepping away would most likely get them to start playing again.

[representing]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You can't use 2-3 because this situation is addressed by the rules. If you catch it, drop it where you stand.

You could blow your whistle, go with the IW, and give the ball to the team who had control. In the OP, I might do that if all 10 players are just staring, but dropping the ball and stepping away would most likely get them to start playing again.

Why do that? What if you were standing just along the end line or the side line and it is obvious the ball was going to go out before anyone could grab it?

I had a ball thrown in my direction last weekend (might have mentioned this already) where I tried to duck. Player standing a few feet away from me (I didn't know he was there at the moment) came running in my direction (I don't think he knew I was there either) and ended up running into me. Hit my head hard with his arm, kneed me in the lower left back (that still hurts a little today when I'm running), and I ended up falling down on my bad knee. Player must have went down too or something because when I looked back the ball just rolled out of bounds with no one chasing it.

[referee99]

.... while making a graceful traveling violation call, stepped on the basketball which got loose after the travel, rolled his ankle and fell right on his a$$!

One never knows when the ankle gets a good roll, but despite soreness this morning, I felt no ill effects tonight for a double header tonight.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by representing

Why do that? What if you were standing just along the end line or the side line and it is obvious the ball was going to go out before anyone could grab it?

Ugh. You really don't have a good grasp of the rules and yet you continue to doll out advice. The official is no different than the spot on the floor where he is standing. If you are inbounds and the ball hits you or you catch it, just drop it. If you are out of bounds, then, and only then, would the ball be considered out of bounds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by representing

Why do that? What if you were standing just along the end line or the side line and it is obvious the ball was going to go out before anyone could grab it?

Because it's the rule; go with it. Frankly, my decision here would be level of play. First of all, you can't just try to decide what would have happened if you hadn't caught the ball. You caught it, deal with it from there.

If you blow your whistle, you have an IW, and need to get the ball in play by the rules. The first stop along the decision route is to see if there was team control. A player threw a pass, so that team still has control. Their ball, easy and simple.

If you play on (ideal in most cases), drop it and step away. I personally have no problem with Scratch's choice. With everyone confused, sometimes it's just best to stop and re-set everyone's brains.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You could blow your whistle, go with the IW, and give the ball to the team who had control. In the OP, I might do that if all 10 players are just staring, but dropping the ball and stepping away would most likely get them to start playing again.

Yeah, why stop the clock? I go with your option A: drop it and play on. No biggie.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Yeah, why stop the clock? I go with your option A: drop it and play on. No biggie.

Agree with mb on this one. The Rules Book nor the Case Book discusses treating a catch any different than an inadvertent touch. Drop the ball and get ready to officiate the scrum that will likely follow.

[Back In The Saddle]

Jump ball at the center circle between the T and L.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You could blow your whistle, go with the IW, and give the ball to the team who had control. In the OP, I might do that if all 10 players are just staring,

That's what I did. I thought about dropping it and trying to act like it never happened. But in the 1 or 2 seconds that it took me to gather myself, I had 10 girls and a gym full of people at a dead stop.

If it had been boys, I believe they would have played on. Being girls, I think they would have stared at me and wondered why I did that!

[SmokeEater]

We had this exact at least very close to exact situation presented at a clinic this year. We were told in the event that an official has to catch a pass that is thrown at him to prevent injury then the resulting possesion will be determined by going to the AP arrow.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

We had this exact at least very close to exact situation presented at a clinic this year. We were told in the event that an official has to catch a pass that is thrown at him to prevent injury then the resulting possesion will be determined by going to the AP arrow.

That would be incorrect with NFHS and NCAA rules; perhaps it's different with FIBA?

[SmokeEater]

I can't find any support for this decision either way in the FIBA rulebook either. The rational was we don't know what the result would have been if the ball had not been caught, it may have gone OB or been intercepted, or may even have been an assist for an easy layup. No way of knowing for sure so therefore, like when your not sure who knocked the ball out of bounds (ie. 2 players from opposite teams tip the ball at the same time) go to the arrow.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I can't find any support for this decision either way in the FIBA rulebook either. The rational was we don't know what the result would have been if the ball had not been caught, it may have gone OB or been intercepted, or may even have been an assist for an easy layup. No way of knowing for sure so therefore, like when your not sure who knocked the ball out of bounds (ie. 2 players from opposite teams tip the ball at the same time) go to the arrow.

But the ball isn't out of bounds and there is still team control. I don't understand that rationale at all.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I can't find any support for this decision either way in the FIBA rulebook either. The rational was we don't know what the result would have been if the ball had not been caught, it may have gone OB or been intercepted, or may even have been an assist for an easy layup. No way of knowing for sure so therefore, like when your not sure who knocked the ball out of bounds (ie. 2 players from opposite teams tip the ball at the same time) go to the arrow.

If you have an IW in the middle of a pass, do you go to the arrow? The problem is, the ball was caught, so you can't pretend otherwise by trying to determine "what would have happened if...."

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you have an IW in the middle of a pass, do you go to the arrow? The problem is, the ball was caught, so you can't pretend otherwise by trying to determine "what would have happened if...."

Not sure if your asking or telling me something here

Like I said I can't find supporting references either way in the rule book. As for the second part of your statement I agree, you cant determine possesion based on the what if's. I think this is what the clinician was getting at. Just dropping the ball where you catch it is what I would do but how do you know that the play was not affected by your actions.

In this case I will do as told until told differently by someone else with authority.