Replacing Injured FT Shooter = Done for game?

[tjones1]

To add to the OP...

Interp from 2006-2007:

SITUATION 11: A1 is injured during a play in which he/she was fouled. As a result, A1 cannot attempt the awarded free throws. A6 replaces A1 and attempts the free throws, which are successful. Team A then calls a time-out. At the conclusion of the time-out, (a) A1 is ready to play, or (b) A7 replaces A6. RULING: In (a), A1 may not re-enter the game until the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has properly started. Legal substitution in (b); A6 may leave the game at any time. Substitution restrictions only apply to being withdrawn and attempting to re-enter without the clock properly starting. (8-2; 3-3-4)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tjones1

To add to the OP...Interp from 2006-2007: SITUATION 11: A1 may not re-enter the game until the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has properly started.

To ad to the Interp from 2006-2007 that was added to the OP: There are rare exceptions to this rule when a team is down to five eligible players due to another injury, or a disqualification.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

To ad to the Interp from 2006-2007 that was added to the OP: There are rare exceptions to this rule when a team is down to five eligible players due to another injury, or a disqualification.

Only because MTD railroaded a BS ruling into the Case Book.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Only because MTD railroaded a BS ruling into the Case Book.

I'm having trouble finding the casebook citation. Help.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm having trouble finding the casebook citation. Help.

I figured you'd have this one down being that it's the exception to your sit a tick.

8.2 Situation B

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tjones1

8.2 Situation B

8.2 SITUATION B: A1 is fouled and will be shooting two free throws. After A1’s
first free-throw attempt, B6 (Team B’s only remaining eligible substitute) replaces
B2. A1’s second free-throw attempt is unsuccessful. During rebounding action for
A1’s missed second free-throw attempt, and before the clock starts, A1 pushes B3
in the back causing B3 to roll an ankle. Team B is in the bonus. B3 is unable to
immediately continue playing. Team B requests and is granted a time out in order
to allow B3 to recover from the ankle injury so as to remain in the game. B3 is still
not able to play after the time out has ended. RULING: B2 may return to the game
and replace B3 and shoot B3’s free throw attempts despite having been replaced
since he/she is the only available substitute. (3-3-4)

[Nevadaref]

It seems that concussions are a serious concern for the NFHS and that changes to the RULES for all NFHS sports will be made to address this.

This should nix the argument of those who claim that the previous POE was not sufficient. The Rules Book will soon have a rule for concussions just as there is for unconscious players.

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NFHS | Official Signals Modified in High School Soccer


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Mark Koski

INDIANAPOLIS, IN (February 16, 2010)

....

Following are other changes made by the NFHS Soccer Rules Committee:

· A significant editorial change that will affect all sports requires that any athlete who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion, including but not limited to loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion or balance problems, must be removed from the contest immediately and shall not return to play before being cleared by an appropriate health-care professional.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player who has been replaced, or directed to leave the game, shall not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his, or her, replacement. In other words, with the very rare exception of a team only having five players eligible to play, a player who has been replaced must sit a tick of the clock, however, a player doesn’t have to play a tick of the clock.

B15U Rec. I had a player pushed/tripped and go down yesterday and bloody his nose. We stopped the bleeding and cleaned the floor. He couldn't sit because the only other player on the bench had already fouled out. After a bit of a delay we continued.

Side note - a parent (nurse) came up to my partner and I after the game and said she saw the injured player wipe his nose and then eventually touch the ball. She recommended in the future the player be made to go to the bathroom and wash and also replace the ball. In this situation, two excellent recommendations IMO which I will forward to our Board.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It seems that concussions are a serious concern for the NFHS and that changes to the RULES for all NFHS sports will be made to address this.

This should nix the argument of those who claim that the previous POE was not sufficient. The Rules Book will soon have a rule for concussions just as there is for unconscious players.

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NFHS | Official Signals Modified in High School Soccer


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Mark Koski

INDIANAPOLIS, IN (February 16, 2010)

....

Following are other changes made by the NFHS Soccer Rules Committee:

· A significant editorial change that will affect all sports requires that any athlete who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion, including but not limited to loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion or balance problems, must be removed from the contest immediately and shall not return to play before being cleared by an appropriate health-care professional.

That's great.

I had a player in a playoff game a few years ago who took an elbow to the head (she lead with her head as she dove in for a rebound -- being about 5'2" she flew right into an elbow) and she went off for quite some time. She came back about a quarter later and didn't seem to be the same player she was before she got elbowed.

I didn't really put 2 and 2 together, but in retrospect she had a concussion. Her father is a great guy and is also an official and I talked to him later and she had a broken bone and a concussion and he was in the stands, but she still came back in after being examined by a trainer.

So now the NFHS, in their infinite wisdom, is likely going to open officials up for potential liability if we don't recognize concussion symptoms in the student-athletes in our games. Having no medical training, I do not see how this is a good idea putting any of this in the laps of the game officials. I mean, the teams have coaches, trainers, parents, etc. and we're supposed to be the guardians of concussion-like symptoms?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

.... any athlete who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion, including but not limited to loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion or balance problems, must be removed from the contest immediately and shall not return to play before being cleared by an appropriate health-care professional.

Makes seeing that the headband/wristband colors all match seem pretty simple.

[BillyMac]

Nevadaref: Thanks for the warning.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A significant editorial change that will affect all sports requires that any athlete who exhibits signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion, including but not limited to loss of consciousness, headache, dizziness, confusion or balance problems, must be removed from the contest immediately and shall not return to play before being cleared by an appropriate health-care professional.

Who is deemed to be an appropriate health care professional: MD, RN, LPN, trainer, coach with a first aid/CPR certificate in his pocket? Is written documentation required, as in the unconscious rule?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Makes seeing that the headband/wristband colors all match seem pretty simple.

Speaking of which, I heard a rumor that the NFHS may soon put out a Fashion Police all points bulletin on two logos not being allowed on socks. That's what I heard. Don't adjust your dial. Socks!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Makes seeing that the headband/wristband colors all match seem pretty simple.

I had a game last night where three of the starters on the visiting team wore legal color long sleeved undershirts. I know that's it's legal, but, what's that all about?

Also many young fans in the stands were wearing MLB team logo baseball caps, with MLB license holographic logos still stuck to the brim of the cap. Back in my youth, those logos, if they existed back then, which they didn't, would have come off the brim, along with the price tag, as soon as I walked out of the store. What's that all about?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I had a game last night where three of the starters on the visiting team wore legal color long sleeved undershirts. I know that's it's legal, but, what's that all about?

Also many young fans in the stands were wearing MLB team logo baseball caps, with MLB license holographic logos still stuck to the brim of the cap. Back in my youth, those logos, if they existed back then, which they didn't, would have come off the brim, along with the price tag, as soon as I walked out of the store. What's that all about?

It's the modern day equivalent of Minnie Pearl.

Flat brim, 5950 tag still on, hat crooked on head. And probably a Yankees hat in a color other than Yankees colors. Ridiculous looking. I'm getting old, I guess.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Ridiculous looking.

Absolutely agree.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'm getting old, I guess.

Beats the alternative.

And here all these yrs I thought those brims were to prevent the sun from getting in your eyes. I guess with them on backwards you can run faster (aerodynamics I suppose) and the back of your neck won't get sun burned. Back in the day, who knew?